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Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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> This is kind of insane. It's especially insane because Polish law is not a superset of every other country's law. If a web site is forced to remove content because it violates a law specific to the country the site is based in -- boom, now they've broken the law in Poland.

You're right, there's no way this could reasonably enforced.

Enforced it could be. No way to reasonably comply, though.

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post #49

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This comment misrepresents the situation by failing to indicate that the 'Constitutional Crisis' started before the current Law and Justice government took power by the previous governments anti-constitutional actions of trying to appoint Constitutional Court judges ahead of the end of their terms. For a summary of events: [1] Imagine if Barack Obama / George Bush decided to go ahead and punt some SCOTUS members ahea…

> This comment misrepresents the situation by failing to indicate that the 'Constitutional Crisis' started before the current Law and Justice government took power by the previous governments flagrant anti-constitutional actions of trying to appoint Supreme Court Judges ahead of the end of their terms. It was the Constitutional Court, not Supreme Court. Also, no, not really - that didn't start the crisis in any reaso…

> ruling party replaced not only the extraneous judges, but also those judges who were lawfully supposed to be appointed by previous government

The problem is that previous government broke the law in more than one way:

1. They appointed more judges that they were allowed to.

2. They did appoint all those judges by means of single parliamentary resolution, despite the fact that Polish Constitution clearly requires voting for each judge separately.

Given those two points NONE of the judges was appointed lawfully, and there was no other way forward than repeal the whole resolution, therefore removing all 5 unlawfully appointed judges.

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The actual rationale behind this is to protect bigots from getting kicked off social media for hate speech against LGBT people. Article 256 of the Polish criminal code makes it illegal to incite hatred based on religion, race or nationality but not sexual orientation.

Calm down. Poland is a country in which same-sex activity was NEVER criminalized.

LGBT is not mentioned in article 256 because this article is about Spreading fascism and other totalitarian systems.

Your comment is a lie.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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Yup, under this law a post mentioning true facts about nazi collaboration in poland during ww2 would be illegal.

Mentioning true facts (mostly falsehoods, but also some true facts) about WW2 is already illegal in Germany.

Like what? Please don’t let it be Holocaust denial...

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> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…

Like they sing in Poland, Jebać PiS. Note that PiS is actually pronounced piss, which must be some kind of divine providence.

> PiS is actually pronounced piss

no it isn't. It's pronounced peace

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https://time.com/5128341/poland-holocaust-law/ > The bill was proposed by the country’s ruling Law and Justice party (PiS) and calls for up to three years in prison or a fine for accusing the Polish state or people of involvement or responsibility for the Nazi occupation during World War II The law has since passed, tho it was later amended to remove the prison time portion. Now I am not a lawyer, nor am I polish, so…

No one sensible is accusing "the Polish state" or "the Polish people" of being involved with the Holocaust, and the Wikipedia page itself doesn't state anything like that. The law is aimed at hateful idiocy like talking about the supposed "Polish death camps", as opposed to the tragically real Nazi death camps in Nazi-occupied Poland.

The wikipedia page I linked to clearly points out that polish people WERE involved in the holocaust. Not all, in fact I believe the vast majority of poles were not collaborators... but that doesn't mean this law doesn't make it legally sketchy to talk about the poles who were collaborators

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> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…

Yup, under this law a post mentioning true facts about nazi collaboration in poland during ww2 would be illegal.

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Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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That might be the wrong way to go about it, but I sympathize with the sentiment. If you pretend to be a public square you must act like a public square. As it happens the US Supreme Court is also sympathetic - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama Now many here already raised an obvious objection - someone tending to a small blog should be able to police it. That is sensible. So I suppose we need to find a…

Even bigger problem might be your own content hosted on public squares. I wonder if Instagram/Fb/TikTok are declared a public square, does it mean that I can't delete someone's comment under my own photo, status or video because it violates their free speech even though it is my profile or page?

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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post #157

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But he doesn't own Twitter. He's a representative of the shareholders. And TWTR is down 6.5% today on the news. So clearly this decision wasn't in the interest of Twitter's actual owners.

We don’t get to see the world where he didn’t do that. For example, let’s pretend his lawyers warned him that TWTR as a company and himself as an individual could be held liable for any future riot organised on Twitter. That would be worse than 6.5%, surely?

Between 8 PM Friday and 4 AM Monday morning, nothing about potential legal liability changed. The decline over the weekend TWTR banned Trump was larger than the decline following the riot itself.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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I believe more is coming, but on a European level:

- unsolicited ads = spam

- what you post on the Internet will be copyrighted (owned by you). So Facebook/Twitter will require a license to use your data. Whether they will share profits is up to the license agreement.

- procedure to sue when aforementioned data is used without a license.

- global rules regarding deletion of accounts (suspend period, downloadable user owned data)

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