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How to revert HP printer’s ban on 3rd-party ink cartridges

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Post by intsunny »

cnity wrote: post #153
billsmithaustin wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brother also has a handy iOS app for printing and scanning.

Are these shill accounts? I've seen raving template-looking comments for Brother in every printer thread for the past few weeks. Get yourself a Edit: Sorry if I'm jumping the gun. Maybe they really are just great?

I also have a Brother All-in-one laser printer/scanner/document feeder/duplex printer.

Everything works out of the box. Even wireless scanning, which I did not know was a thing until I got this device.

My favorite thing about Brother is they sell the same models for a few years, and then iterate on that model. It massively cuts down on manufacturing issues, number of spare parts, and being unable to web search for a problem.

Brother are the Toyota of printers. The MFC-27XX series are the Camrys.

I hope to never buy another printer brand again.

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Post by jkingsbery »

Unklejoe wrote: post #141

If all you need is black and white printing, there is no need to be buying HP inkjet printers anymore. Get yourself a Mine has been going strong for like 10 years now.

For whatever it's worth:

I just switched from a Brother printer to Lexmark. Not sure if it's Brother itself or just the model, but my particular printer only could connect over WiFi (no ethernet option), and it kept getting confused about it's IP address and dropping from our network. I bought a different printer after losing several hours of needing to use my limited network engineering skills to diagnose so I could print out worksheets for my kids. I haven't had issues since.

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Post by javadocmd »

Unklejoe wrote: post #141

If all you need is black and white printing, there is no need to be buying HP inkjet printers anymore. Get yourself a Mine has been going strong for like 10 years now.

I wish the first thread I saw was this enthusiastic about Brother. I've got an HP delivering today because it sounded like the Linux driver support was more solid -- didn't see a mention of this proprietary cartridges nonsense. Mea culpa for not doing more research I guess.

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Post by dangus »

Unklejoe wrote: post #141

If all you need is black and white printing, there is no need to be buying HP inkjet printers anymore. Get yourself a Mine has been going strong for like 10 years now.

This is the most annoying trope. Yes, I want color printing. Why wouldn’t I want color printing?

I feel like the “black and white brother laser” attitude is like buying a car with no air conditioning because you’ll save five hundred bucks off the sticker price.

The reason to choose inkjet:

1. Black and white sucks

2. Color lasers are huge and don’t really save money on toner vs. ink for typical home users.

My current printer is an HP OfficeJet 9015, which has been excellent. Zero software needed for Windows 10, iOS (AirPrint), macOS.

Another thing those cheap brother laser printers don’t give you is, you know, features. My inkjet printer has a scanner, auto document feeder with auto duplex, and auto duplex printing.

If you want all that with a color laser you end up with a monstrosity in your house.

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Post by sevencolors »

cnity wrote: post #153
billsmithaustin wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brother also has a handy iOS app for printing and scanning.

Are these shill accounts? I've seen raving template-looking comments for Brother in every printer thread for the past few weeks. Get yourself a Edit: Sorry if I'm jumping the gun. Maybe they really are just great?

They are! We had a basic laser printer at work and even with 20 people printing everyday it rarely had issues.

Even the (5+ year old) HP laser printers are still solid. I've had a little one for 12 years and maybe change the $50 toner cartridge once a year. It would probably be less if i wasn't printing research docs to read for school.

Basically fuck ink jets. I email files to the local printer if I need a color document.

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Post by isogon »

dangus wrote: post #214
Unklejoe wrote: post #141

If all you need is black and white printing, there is no need to be buying HP inkjet printers anymore. Get yourself a Mine has been going strong for like 10 years now.

This is the most annoying trope. Yes, I want color printing. Why wouldn’t I want color printing? I feel like the “black and white brother laser” attitude is like buying a car with no air conditioning because you’ll save five hundred bucks off the sticker price. The reason to choose inkjet: 1. Black and white sucks 2. Color lasers are huge and don’t really save money on toner vs. ink for typical home users. My current…

I think it's a trope because most people really don't need color printing, so that advice is appropriate for them.

I, for example, have only ever used my printer to print such things as tickets and documents which must be mailed for bureaucratic reasons. My hunch is that this describes many others too.

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Post by xenadu02 »

cnity wrote: post #153
billsmithaustin wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brother also has a handy iOS app for printing and scanning.

Are these shill accounts? I've seen raving template-looking comments for Brother in every printer thread for the past few weeks. Get yourself a Edit: Sorry if I'm jumping the gun. Maybe they really are just great?

I'm not shilling.

Most of the other printer manufacturers have followed the HP model to create much worse products. It's a cesspool.

Brother is one of the few left standing that hasn't taken that road and I think they should be rewarded for it.

FWIW they also sell color laser printers and I'm using one right now. It connects over the network, supports AirPrint, and just sits there quietly doing a good job. It doesn't get gummed up if it sits idle for weeks or months. The model I have even does duplex printing (printing on both sides of the page) which is quite handy. It was less than $500 when I purchased it. The official toner isn't terribly expensive and you can use cheap refills if you want to save money.

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Post by elmo2you »

koolba wrote: post #79
elmo2you wrote: post #29

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> How is this not something akin to an anti-trust issue? It probably (if not certainly) is .. but with authorities systematically failing their duties on that subject, and for a long time too, don't expect much (if anything) to come from that. The sad (and in my personal opinion: criminal) reality is that the (official) meaning/interpretation of anti-trust has been systemically eroded over the years. No doubt as a co…

> It probably (if not certainly) is .. but with authorities systematically failing their duties on that subject, and for a long time too, don't expect much (if anything) to come from that. It's likely not an anti-trust issue. No single manufacturer has anything close to a monopoly and there's no legal duty to make it the printers compatible with third party modules. At best, some consumer might argue a case that ther…

> It's likely not an anti-trust issue. No single manufacturer has anything close to a monopoly ..

Funny .. It's exactly this kind of response that illustrates what I meant with the erosion of the meaning of anti-trust.

You appear to hold a rather narrow definition of what anti-trust means. One that is not surprisingly rather convenient for a lot of companies these days, and as mentioned a result of systemic lobbying efforts (for decades). Feel free to know little about history, and go make those same mistakes all over again. Just don't even dare complain, when you end up regretting it.

> ... and there's no legal duty to make it the printers compatible with third party modules.

I never argued there is such a thing. There is a legal duty to prosecute anti-trust violations though.

> Vote with your wallet and buy something that will work with third party ink. Go a step further and avoid all HP products. That's the only way this will be solved.

Sadly, that won't solve it either (history has a way of proving that point). But it is indeed the only thing you can really do. Still, as an argument it is about as valid as saying: "don't go out on the street after dark, if you do not want to get killed".

Might be equally true, pragmatically speaking. But totally side-steps that your country has a legal duty to at least try keep you from being murdered for no reason. You know .. because it signed and ratified that pesky little document called the Universal Declaration of Human Right ;-)

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Post by dn3500 »

adrianmonk wrote: post #205
floatingatoll wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you need a driver? I thought basically every 2020 printer - and CUPS - supported AirPrint.

Thanks. This is useful info. Brother's site says my printer does support AirPrint. And through the printer's internal web server, I can see under Network -> Protocol that AirPrint is there and enabled. I have the binary blob driver installed, so I guess this explains why two entries appear for this printer under Printer settings in Ubuntu. So, a minor mystery is solved, and I now see that I have the option of removin…

I just last week got a new Brother printer and went through the process of installing the proprietary driver, which for some reason requires the 32 bit version of libc. I had ignored the "Airprint" option because I assumed it had something to do with wireless printing. Apparently it did originally, but now it has more to do with driverless printing. So yes, thank you.
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