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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by borg_ »

sol_invictus wrote: post #182
borg_ wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or, OP simply does not want their true identity to be labeled as "pro-China" and created this specific account given how toxic, biased and hostile HN comment section has become wrt "pro-China" sentiment, by people like yourself. Counter the argument for what it is if you wish but going after OP's account history is not called for.

There is nothing 'toxic' about calling out astroturfing where it is blatant, especially since there is no way to flag individual accounts on this platform.

are you alleging, without evidence?, that OP has been sponsored by state organisations?

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Post by boringusername »

take_a_breath wrote: post #103
Darmody wrote: post #10

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Some of us don't have much power. I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. People like Lebron James, who thinks of himself like a freedom fighter, when he criticized China he ended up saying he was misinformed and he wasn't educated about the issue. He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some n…

==He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some nazi collaborators did.== All of this could be said about our current President and his family. He has far more power than LeBron James, maybe we should hold him accountable?

Thank you for your whataboutism. OP brought up Lebron James because he likes to publicly moralize about how certain lives matter and ignores an actual genocide in the country keeping him paid.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Imagine how much positive impact Bezos could have on this if Amazon led the way on identifying China’s reliance on western money to continue funding cultural genocide. He could spend have of his money on this and still have $100,000,000,000 to play with.

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Post by maxwell »

DrBazza wrote: post #26
krm01 wrote: post #13

I can't believe this isn't something people are rallying for. Nor can I believe the mainstream media is hardly talking about it. The lessons from WWII aren't stories that we should memorise as fun trivia facts.

Well... everyone could stop buying stuff on Amazon when you know it's mostly made in China, but then again everyone wants cheap 'stuff' (and iPhones).

The U.S. could follow India and adopt mandatory country of origin declaration requirements for ecommerce sellers. [1, 2]

Apple has shifted some manufacturing/assembly of iPhones to India, seemingly mostly for the local market [3] and perhaps EU [4], and AirPods to Vietnam [5].

1. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/e-commerce-sites-must...

2. https://www.thequint.com/voices/opinion/e-commerce-rules-cou...

3. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/24/iphone-se-assembled-in-...

4. https://www.macrumors.com/2019/07/11/apple-exporting-iphone-...

5. https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/07/22/new-2021-airpods-...

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Post by dagenleg »

cocoggu wrote: post #79
TheUndead96 wrote: post #33

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There is some evidence for this: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-u...

Although anything is possible, this is no evidence, and I hardly believe it. People lives are worthing much more than their organs when they are used for labor so I don't see any reasonable benefit from doing that. Plus, Falun Gong has a long history of fighting this, still without any evidences brought to the table, so I have some doubts about their assumptions. The issue in Xinjiang is already serious enough, no ne…

> People lives are worthing much more than their organs when they are used for labor

I absolutely disagree with this claim. Forced labor is inherently inefficient and barely cost-effective, especially in the modern age of mechanisation and the lessons of soviet GULAGs proved just as much. Especially so in China, which in no way suffers from a shortage of labor force.

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Post by propagandist »

xupybd wrote: post #92
christophilus wrote: post #46

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It’s almost like more than one country can do horrible things. Who’d have thought? It doesn’t make the situation in China any better to point out that other countries have also done bad things.

Yes but America did that to foreign people during war. Its something else when a government does this to its own people.

1. America declared the war on false grounds, like most wars since WW2

2. It makes 0 difference morally whether you’re targeting domestic or foreign civilians

3. America starves civilian populations outside formal states of war. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8. This is the visible tip of the iceberg

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Post by aNoob7000 »

misja111 wrote: post #127
cortesoft wrote: post #111

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I don’t understand what the ‘cancel culture’ comment is supposed to mean. There are a million tweets condemning China’s behavior... way more than the number of tweets targeting people who are ‘cancelled’ The difference is that tweets can effect a regular person’s life, and they are ‘cancelled’. China doesn’t care. A company will act to fire a single person who behaves badly because of consumer pressure; it doesn’t co…

Cancel culture means boycotting public figures or companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive. You are talking only about tweets but those have little to do with it. Boycotting China is definitely possible, simply stop buying their goods. Vote with your wallet! If enough people do this then it will definitely have an impact, possibly even enough to bring about some real chan…

Maybe if companies in the USA and Europe would stop building stuff in China it would work. Why is the burden on placed on individuals when corporations and governments actually have more power in this process.

I personally blame corporations and governments in Europe and the USA for the issues with China. They put money above everything.

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Post by heymijo »

martythemaniak wrote: post #151
cortesoft wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what the ‘cancel culture’ comment is supposed to mean. There are a million tweets condemning China’s behavior... way more than the number of tweets targeting people who are ‘cancelled’ The difference is that tweets can effect a regular person’s life, and they are ‘cancelled’. China doesn’t care. A company will act to fire a single person who behaves badly because of consumer pressure; it doesn’t co…

A really good "code smell" for political bullshit is when a person or idea is simultaneously an ineffectual loser and a grave, powerful, insidious force. Closely related to the notion that the leader is simultaneously both a powerful winner and a powerless victim. "cancel culture" here is both powerful and dangerous enough to bring down Western civilization, yet so laughably weak it cannot even pretend to solve real…

I first heard this idea articulated in Umberto Eco's article on Ur-Fascism or Eternal Fascism [0,1]. First link is the abridged list. The second is a full feature article.

From Point #8

"by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak"

[0] http://interglacial.com/pub/text/Umberto_Eco_-_Eternal_Fasci... [1] https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

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Post by nafizh »

I know and understand as single persons we don't have much power to do anything. But if you live in a western democratic nation, time to use that machinery. Call your Senator, MPs whoever your representative is. Let them know inaction in the face of this atrocity is unacceptable. Keep calling all Senators or members of parliaments. It might seem to have no effect, but significant changes come when many people demand something. It has to start somewhere.

Here is a site for resources and actions you can take [0].

0. https://www.saveuighur.org/act-now/

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