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Because I (a citizen) might want to access the information provided by this service. I (an individual) would be happy to see TikTok banned, along with Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/etc, because I see them as vain wastes of time with a sinister twist. But I've also met teenagers, and even been one! So I can guess how they might respond to a government-imposed ban on a new and interesting vice. And I (a citizen) am deeply…
Given your username and how recently your account was created, I can't help but be a bit wary. Not that I disagree with what you've written in principle.
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#212Could this be the same as a tit for tat measure like with tariffs? China has banned a lot of US services and forced US corporations to pull content from their stores too [0] [1]. Genuinely asking and want to remain open-minded about this. 0: https://www.gadgetsnow.com/slideshows/10-popular-apps-and-we... 1: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news18.com/amp/news/tech/ch...
It definitely mirrors the kinds of restrictions China puts on US companies with joint ventures, censorship of sensitive topics, and keeping data on Chinese servers. However, I think why this feels unsettling even if it just mirrors what China's done is because up to now there was a sense that the US has a stronger economy, society, and culture than China, and these restrictions China put on US companies reflected the…
To give some push back:
Currently the US is in an election year and both the left and right are concerned about foreign interference.
Being said Tik Tok is a Chinese based company and following priority Chinese law. Couldn't they propogate direct election interference under the precived guise of being a US private corporation bc of US public's consumption and get away with it?
A counter point could be made for an actual US corporation doing the same thing, but a nation state doing it would be a different issue entirely.
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After reading many books on China I learned China values social stability over everything. In its 4,000 year history they have seen the dangers of social instability. We are a very young country and haven't seen what real chaos can look like. (These ideas are from Henry Kissinger's on China, Destined for War by Graham T. Allison and The China Dream by Liu Mingfu)
That's rather ridiculous. The US has seen massive social instability over the past 400 years. The Revolution, the Civil War, slavery and the Slave Trade, the Great Depression, etc. And the founders of the US, being mostly European, were descended from people who lived through absolutely catastrophic social instability in Europe. Never-ending wars over religion and territory and on and on... What "real chaos" has "Chi…
This is ill-informed and easily proven wrong.
I'm no China apologist, but the Chinese have suffered the worst human disasters in history.
Let's go down the list of top 10 anthropogenic disasters by geometric mean death toll and count the causalities in China [1]:
1. 2nd World War estimated 70 million dead, 17.5 million dead in China [2]
2. Three Kingdom War 38 million dead, all Chinese
3. Mongol Conquests 35 million dead and transition from Song to Yuan. Chinese population registers drop from 140 million to 70 million. [3]
4. European Colonization of the Americas 35 million dead, no Chinese dead
5. Taiping Rebellion 35 million dead, all Chinese
6 Red Eyebrows Rebellion 30 million dead, all Chinese
7. Muslim conquest of India 41 million dead, no Chinese
8. Ming Conquest of Yuan 30 million dead, all Chinese
9. Qing conquest of Ming 25 million dead, all Chinese
10. Second Sino-Japanese War 22 million dead, mostly Chinese
and as a bonus:
11. An Lushan Rebellion 21 million dead, all Chinese
Let's count the bodies.
Total dead in 11 conflicts: about 380 million dead
Chinese dead: about 200-220 million dead.
The Chinese are in a whole other ball park in terms of historical suffering. Nothing in American history compares to even a civil war most Americans have never heard of, like the An Lushan rebellion. For perspective, "only" 700,000 American soldiers died in the US Civil War and there were no accounts of civilian casualties of similar magnitude.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_...
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#214The US is acting like a desperate country that has no idea what it is doing. It is evident to the whole world that the US doesn't want to compete at the level of high technology, which is what the Chinese have achieved in the last couple of years. Whenever a country tries to create a fence around it, then it is just displaying weakness. It would be much more constructive for the US to recognize that they're getting b…
> TRUMP is acting like a desperate ASSHOLE that has no idea what HE is doing. Fixed that for you. >It is evident to the whole world that the US doesn't want to compete at the level of high technology, which is what the Chinese have achieved in the last couple of years. China couldn't even figure out how to make ball point pens until 2017. They still can't produce jet engines that are worth much compared to several US…
China changes very quickly! In 2020 they have 5G technology that blows competitors' pants off. They are sending missions to mars, have more electric cars than any other country, and just yesterday they released a home-grown competitor to GPS.
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#215I think the biggest thing that bugs me is that the American public didn't let Vine grow and make money. Instead we're either banning and blocking TTok or giving China a huge amount of money. I don't like giving China money. Ban them
I am sad Vine died, but "American Public didn't let Vine grow" is not accurate. More "Twitter couldn't figure out how to make Vine a thing"...
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#216So how do you ban an app actually? Yes they could remove the app from the app store but what about the APIs etc...? Also the next TikTok clone is going to be a massive succes.
Instagram has already come up with Instagram Reels. After India banned TikTok, Instagram released Reels to the Indian market within the week, and I've got to say it's pretty darn similar to tiktok, so essentially just capitalising on their already humongous user base and the ban.
https://www.businessinsider.com/instagram-reels-tiktok-compe...
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It's ridiculous that you even talk about retaliation in a post where you acknowledge that anything that would be a worthy retaliation is already banned !
I think it's ridiculous to say, China wouldn't even consider retaliation. It has to appease its domestic audience like any other country irrespective of the differences in governance model.
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"What "real chaos" has "China" (which is, by the way, nowhere homogenous) seen that we have not seen?" Warring States: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warring_States_period Chu-Han Contention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chu%E2%80%93Han_Contention Yellow Turban Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Turban_Rebellion Three Kingdoms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms Northern and Southern dynasties:…
Do you really think that Europe and other parts of the world have not had wars?