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OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by hanniabu »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #187
hanniabu wrote: post #180

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You're contributing to a stereotype that if a woman is having a relationship with someone at work that it must be to get ahead.

Holmes was absolutely not succeeding on merit. She was so very not succeeding on merit that there is a criminal case charging her with fraud. I don't think it helps to turn a blind eye to the issue that women can sleep their way into positions, careerwise, and men typically cannot. We have expressions like the casting couch for a reason. I've spent a lot of years trying to analyze this problem space and find a viable…

> which include sleeping with an investor to get money

Again, unless this came forward in legal proceedings, you're making an assumption.

> We have expressions like the casting couch for a reason.

It's not an expression, it's a literal thing in porn.

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Post by Mirioron »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #144
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #141

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Any blurring of moral lines likely comes down to hangups W.R.T Body Autonomy. At the end of the day, if you one believes that everyone is allowed to make their own choices about their body, that would have to include their daughter, their spouse, their mother even.

Exactly! You get it. I find it so hard to believe that there is supposedly zero overlap between HackerNews comment posters claiming "there is nothing morally wrong with sex work" and people who in reality when pressed with the exact situation would say "I am against my little sister performing sexual acts for money"

I think most drugs should be legalized, but I would still be against my little sister doing meth. That's how I see this situation too. People obviously should be allowed to do sex work, but I think that there are hidden costs that are difficult to understand beforehand. I wouldn't bar her from it but I would discourage it.

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Post by scruple »

mydongle wrote: post #120
cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #95

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>But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? Here's where the real damage gets done - women flock to onlyfans as they find it to be an easy way to sell their looks / body for money. They initially get interest and some (or a lot) of money. More beautiful girls join onlyfans, subscribers change and now you're left with yesterday's onlyfa…

Imagine being a kid today and school bullies finding your mother's old OnlyFans pictures.

Or, flip that script. Which _is_ happening. People are buying OnlyFans, tracking down their parents, and sending them the pictures.

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Post by DoreenMichele »

thatcat wrote: post #209
DoreenMichele wrote: post #150

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On the upside, that at least saves the time and energy of trying to figure out how to reply to someone in a way that moves things in the right direction and wondering if you are just crazy and reading in problem behavior when there is none and so forth. I was strung along for months by someone who was married and not telling me that until he finally told me one day that he was married, his marriage was in the toilet…

In my experience successful networking happens when you work on some minor project together successfully.

Thank you.

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Post by xkcd-sucks »

cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #95
mydongle wrote: post #62

As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

>But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? Here's where the real damage gets done - women flock to onlyfans as they find it to be an easy way to sell their looks / body for money. They initially get interest and some (or a lot) of money. More beautiful girls join onlyfans, subscribers change and now you're left with yesterday's onlyfa…

>More beautiful girls join onlyfans, subscribers change and now you're left with yesterday's onlyfan star, having gained "worth" from her looks/body, now watching that "worth" dissipate.

Ah, the sadness of aging, decline, and death. Better get used to it because it's the one guarantee of life

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Post by yobin »

_8j50 wrote: post #206
commandlinefan wrote: post #89

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> all it takes is to be born a certain way Couldn't the same be said about intelligence?

It's absolutley arrogant and dishonest to think your intelligence is inherited instead of developed,unless you are an exception. Unintelligent people have hard working kids that grow up to be extremely intelligent,intelligent people give birth to children that end up idiots with negative contribution to society and themselves.

False

>Twin studies of adult individuals have found a heritability of IQ between 57% and 73% with the most recent studies showing heritability for IQ as high as 80% and 86%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

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Post by totony »

diffrinse wrote: post #94

The problem with modern society is everyone's a master of plausible deniability. Our obsession with legalism over plain ol ethics in America has created a culture where everyone's assessing what they can and cannot get away with and going from there, in so many ways and domains. This is why enough comments in this thread are just circular arguments thinly veiling an opinion that does not want to fully shed itself int…

I think this is exhuberated by the this very same lack of culture you are referring. Outting youself and your ethics instantly targets you to the opposing views in ways hard to defend against and enables what the "cancel culture" is good at

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Post by lostmsu »

kcmastrpc wrote: post #169
lostmsu wrote: post #57

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That site can not be used as a credible source, as it does not list any research contrary to its agenda.

Yes they do? https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articl...

If I understood this page correctly, it is a list of critiques of opposite point studies. Which is better than total lack of references, but still biased on its own.

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Post by totony »

vharuck wrote: post #116
rland wrote: post #98

I watched this video recently about OnlyFans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djMojvschs0 It's more than just the content itself. "Becoming a fan" is a simulacra of a relationship, commodified. This already existed with escorts, of course, but never at this scale. My personality type is probably closer to being a "consumer" than being a "producer" of content on OF. I don't use the site. But if I did, my status as a c…

Things you're assuming: 1. Consumers use OnlyFans as a poor substitute to an in-person relationship. 2. It's always better to be in a romantic relationship than not. How is camgirling and pornography so different from other performance? What about comedians? They do the same thing as friends: tell jokes, laugh, entertain. A lot of them explicitly try to connect with the audience by asking questions and having short c…

I think it's fair to assume most people see sexuality as an extension of a relationship (and have for a long time).

I dont think it's a stretch to think this commoditization of more intimate sex work (vs porn) is likely to replace actual relationships for a lot consumers

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Post by totony »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #138
remir wrote: post #122

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Watching porn is healthy and normal. I'd say pornography has been normalized over time, but I'm not convinced it's inoffensive. I won't polarize it and say it's bad. It is what it is, but I don't know if it can be categorized as healthy either.

If you think porn is offensive, that's fine. I don't think watching porn should be a public thing. It satiates a human need, just like eating fast food technically makes you full.

But is eating fast food healthy and normal? I think thats what the parent poster meant.
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