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Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by smabie »

sjwright wrote: post #190
jay_kyburz wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The whole point is awesome software that works only on Macs. And that is why I will never go back to Mac.

There is also awesome software only available for Windows, so I guess you can’t use that either. And there is awesome software only available for Linux, so that’s off the table too.

I can't think of any awesome software that only runs on Linux. I can think of a couple examples of not-awesome software (systemd and wayland come to mind). What do you have in mind?

Edit: Maybe WireGuard? But that's kind of niche.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by acomjean »

throwphoton wrote: post #158
jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

I'll tell you this much - if there were a good alternative to Logic that ran on Linux, I'd stop buying MacBook Pros. But I can't adjust to any other workflow, so I bought a new MacBook this year.

Bitwig isn’t bad. I know a couple people using it on Linux that have good things to say.

It seems with live loops a change in workflow is coming to you

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by rorykoehler »

jdietrich wrote: post #194
rorykoehler wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro Tools is seen as the serious tool while the other DAWs you mention are toys for electronic music producers

Pro Tools has brand recognition amongst non audio engineers and inertia of older engineers who can't be bothered to switch, but no-one actually likes it. Nuendo, Sequoia and SADiE are the Serious Professional options, while Reaper enjoys a growing cult following.

I like it. All the other stuff makes the music for me. I feel way more in control on Pro Tools. I make what's in my head and not what the software funnels me into.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by rorykoehler »

qppo wrote: post #125
rorykoehler wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro Tools is seen as the serious tool while the other DAWs you mention are toys for electronic music producers

They're different product categories entirely these days. The other DAWs aren't "toys" and in fact do a lot of things significantly better than Pro Tools. Pro Tools as a product only makes sense at scale, with multiple people in the workflow in different locations. Same story for Media Composer compared to other NLEs.

I know they aren't "toys" but when I tell the Ableton crowd I use Pro Tools the common response is what one of respect for using more professional tools. I know it's mostly perception at this stage however this is from people who've been releasing music and touring with large crowds.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

dfee wrote: post #86
djaychela wrote: post #59

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Music Tech teacher here... when it was discontinued, I was working (part time) in a couple of schools who used Logic on PCs, as well as working for a few people who used it in their own studios. In the case of one of the schools and a number of the clients, I was the one who broke the news to them - generally greeted by disbelief initially, and then once they had checked up on it, absolute fury. If the intention was…

Tough (sincerely), and congrats on finding a gig that rewards you daily with passion and enthusiasm. But at the same time, I have little sympathy for people who hate Apple for a move like this - regardless of the optics and whether it was intentional. No one has to use a Mac, but frankly, there’s a reason why the creative crowd does. And, it’s beyond just brand image. They have a clear and complete vision for their s…

>Apple doesn’t want to be hamstrung by people running Windows on shoddy devices for premium software and thus exited that market.

Yea that's really not true at all especially when you can set whatever system requirements you want.

There's nothing spectacular about apple software. It's not any better or worse than windows or android software that has has the same level of investment.

Apple is doing strategic moves to create temporary one-way streets from other platforms to their own and then shut those down before others manage to take advantage. They did that with itunes in the past and they do that periodically with cheaper iphones now.

The same thing happens with software. Shut down the alternative platoforms so you either switch software or you switch platoforms.

There's nothing magical about Apple. Stop trying to justify their decisions, they are not made with your best interests in mind.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by jay_kyburz »

sjwright wrote: post #190
jay_kyburz wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The whole point is awesome software that works only on Macs. And that is why I will never go back to Mac.

There is also awesome software only available for Windows, so I guess you can’t use that either. And there is awesome software only available for Linux, so that’s off the table too.

You missed my point because I wasn't very clear. Apple is actively trying to lock users into its ecosystem, and a few years ago I discovered how hard it was to switch.

I have found that the time invested in learning how to use a tool is far more valuable than having a tool with a few more features. So with that in mind, I choose to invest my time and money learning how to use open source tools.

I would much rather be an expert in an open source tool rather than some tool that only runs in Apples ecosystem. (Just in case one day I can't use Apple hardware for whatever reason.)

Krita is tops. Blender is awesome. Inkscape is getting there.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by kristiandupont »

fit2rule wrote: post #136
qmmmur wrote: post #121

I'm glad for all the logic users and students I have. If you want to get serious about making music I'd urge you to check out REAPER.

REAPER has a great workflow. Its like the vim of DAW.

I read the GP comment and I was about to downvote. Then I read your comment and sat up in my chair.

I use Ableton and I also play with Logic, FL and the occasional tracker. I would love to know what you mean with "the vim of DAW" and perhaps if there is a video or text that describes it?

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by palimpsests »

monkeyfacebag wrote: post #46

Relative to the competition, Logic is an incredible value. I am an Ableton Live user, but Logic, an arguably superior product, is available for a fraction of the cost of Live Studio. I have my fingers crossed that Ableton can catch up on some of Logic's features (flex pitch comes to mind).

> Logic, an arguably superior product

how so? I personally find Ableton to be vastly superior to Logic. Some of these latest Logic updates look like copies of core Ableton workflow / features:

Live Loops : Session View

Drum Machine Designer : Drum Rack

Sampler & Quick Sampler : Sampler & Simpler (also Looper)

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by redis_mlc »

pier25 wrote: post #53
jasode wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But yeah, AVID Pro Tools works on Windows so it doesn't do anything for Apple. Before Apple bought it, Emagic's Logic ran on both Windows and Mac. After Apple acquired Logic, they immediately discontinued the Windows version. Can't Apple hypothetically run the same playbook and discontinue Pro Tools for Windows?

Apple could buy all DAW companies (Steinberg, Ableton, etc) for peanuts and destroy music production on Windows if they wanted. Heck they could even buy Adobe without much effort and make it mac exclusive too. They don't do it probably because that would be considered a below the belt move and not worth the trouble since the mac is only 10% of its revenue.

FYI: Yamaha owns Steinberg and Cubase.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by basisword »

qmmmur wrote: post #121

I'm glad for all the logic users and students I have. If you want to get serious about making music I'd urge you to check out REAPER.

Why? I've been in a lot of studios and never seen Reaper used once. It's all Pro Tools and a surprising amount of Cubase. This is very much the same as "if you want to get serious about coding use VIM not VSCode".
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