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Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by dv35z »

Macha wrote: post #33
billjings wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, musicians and other creative types care first and formost about getting results. So that means they need a toolchain that is flexible and rich enough to yield great results. Performance is a factor there, inasmuch as it constrains results. The toolchain part is pretty broad: this includes OS services (audio routing!), outboard hardware, DAWs and video editors, and third party plugins. When comparing…

I'd be curious to see what OS audio routing support you're talking about. Maybe I'm just done, but I've not seen anything with the capabilities of voicemeter for Windows or Pulse or JACK for Linux. Specifically I'd like to have application A and B play to speakers, and have an output I can record that has application A and my microphone, without sending application B to that output or my microphone to my speakers. At…

I recently performed research to find a solution to this. After evaluating various free apps, etc, I actually landed on Loopback. I have been using it for the past several weeks to do stuff like: “Record the audio from my headphone mic, Facetime audio from another person, and the audio output of my browser” or “I want to to share the output of Ableton Live to the input to Google Meet” etc. Check it out (it does cost $, but actually seems to be a very quality product, and fairly easy to use). Best of luck!

https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback/

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by jay_kyburz »

crazygringo wrote: post #16
jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

To be more specific, and in response to your reply: Together with Final Cut Pro, Apple wants to have Mac-only exclusive software that is aimed specifically at cool creative professionals to build up the image that trendy creatives use Macs (and you therefore have no choice but to use a Mac, otherwise you won't have the software you need). Aperture couldn't really compete with Adobe's whole workflow (since Apple didn'…

>The whole point is awesome software that works only on Macs.

And that is why I will never go back to Mac.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by musicale »

jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

> So not sure what Logic does for Apple that AVID Pro Tools doesn't.

Logic (besides being one of my favorite DAWs, supporting poly pressure and MPE, etc.) also forms the basis for GarageBand (and MainStage, which I also like.)

GarageBand is a fantastic and widely used program; personally I consider it a "killer app" that makes iPads (and iPhones and Macs) incredibly useful in music education, recording, and performance. The live loops view actually showed up on iOS GarageBand before being added to Logic.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by bwanab »

jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

I own Logic, so I too and happy about the updates. I use Logic every day and since my preference is making music, I don't really have any reason to want to spend the time to learn another DAW.

So, by keeping Logic reasonably up-to-date compared to other DAWs, Apple retains my Mac loyalty. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by coliveira »

jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

With logic Pro, the money is not made in the software, but in hardware. Users of Logic Pro will buy thousands of dollars of Apple hardware to support music creation with the software.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by bsder »

shlom22 wrote: post #39
tpush wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at someone like Billie Eilish and her Apple Music-exlusive content. Obviously not literally "rock", but becoming a global star is still very much a thing.

Billie Eilish is our Lennon, Elon Musk is our Tesla and Donald Trump is our JFK. What a mess we are in culturally.

Billie Eilish is simply the current incarnation of the "breathy misfit 'poet' girl singer" that comes around over and over and over and over. And then disappears.

I hope she makes an enormous amount of money while she's popular and has a smart enough brain to bank it for when she is not.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by throwphoton »

jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

I'll tell you this much - if there were a good alternative to Logic that ran on Linux, I'd stop buying MacBook Pros. But I can't adjust to any other workflow, so I bought a new MacBook this year.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by cageface »

So Apple is basically copying features Ableton Live has had for years here, then dumping this product on the market at an unsustainably cheap price that none of their competitors can match and stay in business.

If you care about the health of the music software industry spend your money on Ableton Live or Bitwig instead of this.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by musicale »

pier25 wrote: post #40
jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

My guess is that Apple knows a lot of people need to keep on buying macs to use Logic and Final Cut. Look at the price of Logic compared to other DAWs. Apple is almost giving it away for free. It only costs $200 but in contrast comparable DAWs cost many times that. Ableton Live Suite costs $750. Nuendo costs $1000. Etc. AFAIK Aperture never had such a hardcore following and didn't offer such a unique product. The pho…

I agree - at $200 Logic is a great value.

After considering Ableton's high prices and competition from Bitwig, I haven't been enthusiastic about paying for a Live Suite upgrade.

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