Perhaps this outage will raise awarenesses more broadly as to the prevalence of "non essential" third party SDKs like these, and the risk that their failure can significantly impact on the wider ecosystem. I can't imagine Apple will be all too pleased by this. Perhaps time for them to look at clamping down on SDKs that make remote network requests? (Given they have their own private sign in system now as well, they m…
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are making a MASSIVE assumption that most people dislike Leetcode. I personally don't and neither does anyone I know. It's way better than the interview formats of almost every other profession out there that's 2 parts sucking up, 2 parts connections, and 1 part luck. Show me a better process that can handle 100,000+ candidates a year with a stronger signal and less or equal time invested and I'll change my mind.…
> “ You are making a MASSIVE assumption that most people dislike Leetcode.” No, this is not an assumption.
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>For the average user out there, the fact is, most people only care about privacy when there's a breach/outage/scandal of some kind. Otherwise, the average person is not going to have "zomg fb is spyware" on their mind. Because they don't know . Like every industry, there are practices involved to which the layman is oblivious. It is important to remind ourselves that the reason the majority of users aren't vocalizin…
The 'not knowing' part happens when the outrage is then transferred to any app which does integrate the FB SDK (like zoom). We as developers have sortof taken for granted that the FB/Google/etc SDKs can do no evil. Maybe that attitude should change, because public opinion certainly has.
Sorry, I'm lost here. Can you elaborate?
>We as developers have sortof taken for granted that the FB/Google/etc SDKs can do no evil. Maybe that attitude should change, because public opinion certainly has.
Previously, you mentioned
>If apps start charging money, there would be a significant drop in the # of average user installs. Then the app would only make money off of privacy focused users, which is comparatively small.
I don't have any reason to believe sales would lessen if a formerly "free" application began charging. The difference, however, I have no idea. You mention "significant" which is, of course, relative.
It isn't difficult to see the incentive at work in this scenario:
a) I could charge a nominal fee for use of my software, foregoing the unsavory practices discussed in this thread, and make X amount of money.
b) I could sell my user out and potentially make more than X amount of money. How much more? I don't know, but more.
Is that what it comes down to?
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#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
oh I didn't imply outsourcing, they're in the bay area
The vast majority of indian immigrants in the us spend some years in higher education in the us where most of those British English/Indian English phrases are trained away. And, only the cream of the cream of the crop is really able to immigrate, especially with current immigration policies. So, when you're referring to incompetent coders that say "do the needful," the only way that makes sense is if you are referrin…
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is this fresh hell? If you buy a spatula on Amazon, would you accept "client-side analytics" on what you cook because "it's basically the only way to monitor it?" Or would you say that your spatula usage is nobody's business? I love and happily pay for Spotify, but it is eye-opening that they send any data to Facebook. Well, shit.
If my spatula had as many failure modes as software, I would find it reasonable, sure.
In fact I would say that the incident we are discussing here shows that adding the sdk adds a failure mode.
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>Software developers want to know whether their existing marketing methods are effective. The FB SDK helps with this. As you mention, this is something the software developer want, not necessarily the user . >You always have the choice to not install the app (if you don't want to). This argument may have some teeth if directed toward a user in our industry. Depending on the scope of the particular software in questio…
User benefits from effective marketing. If software dev knows who their audience is better it means product will reach the correct customers more efficiently. It is win for everybody.
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I feel like I'm in the minority here -- but I don't understand the problem. Software developers want to know whether their existing marketing methods are effective. The FB SDK helps with this. You always have the choice to not install the app (if you don't want to). This also helps developers make sure their marketing is effective and reaching the right people, which seems like a win-win to me.
>The FB SDK helps with this. You always have the choice to not install the app (if you don't want to). up until now I wasn't even aware of the facebook sdk or that say, spotify is sharing my data with facebook even if I don't use their login option so it's pretty hard to make a informed decision. Is this even legal under GDPR?
I guess you could always complain about it to your country's data protection watchdog and then we'll all find out?
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#218For those wondering why the Facebook SDK is so widely used in popular mobile apps: Facebook Login is actually in the minority of reasons to add the Facebook SDK to your mobile app. The vast majority of apps will add the Facebook SDK because it contains Facebook App Ads; a library that "completes the circle" in terms of finding out how effectively the ads you ran on Facebook were at getting people to download, install…
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#219For those wondering why the Facebook SDK is so widely used in popular mobile apps: Facebook Login is actually in the minority of reasons to add the Facebook SDK to your mobile app. The vast majority of apps will add the Facebook SDK because it contains Facebook App Ads; a library that "completes the circle" in terms of finding out how effectively the ads you ran on Facebook were at getting people to download, install…
>Is that "spyware"? Yes, absolutely. It uses energy and bandwidth I paid for to surreptitiously transmit my information for use which will solely benefit Facebook and the software developer.
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Software developers want to know whether their existing marketing methods are effective. The FB SDK helps with this. As you mention, this is something the software developer want, not necessarily the user . >You always have the choice to not install the app (if you don't want to). This argument may have some teeth if directed toward a user in our industry. Depending on the scope of the particular software in questio…
User benefits from effective marketing. If software dev knows who their audience is better it means product will reach the correct customers more efficiently. It is win for everybody.
That the user was “sold” to is not inherently positive. Not all products are good. Not all users can afford products they’re buying. Not all users necessarily understand they’re paying in ways they’re unaware of.
Straying away from social media in this example, cigarettes and alcohol feel like good candidates here.