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Psilocybin Produced in Yeast

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I like how mushrooms taste, but my sister doesn't. Her husband even insisted that we don't serve any mushrooms at their wedding. (Granted, it's been years since I last ate magic mushrooms. I loved the way they tasted, but I don't think it's fair for someone who doesn't like they way they taste to have to gag them down just for a trip. I can still remember how they tasted, and the wonderful visions I had.) Mushrooms a…

You're conflating Mushrooms with (Mu)Shrooms it seems to me. Shrooms are not primarily about the taste. And you can very well make Shrooms storable for up to several years.

Nope:

> Granted, it's been years since I last ate magic mushrooms. I loved the way they tasted

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My point was not about the validity of psychedelic experiences. It was about the fact that we have outright banned all avenues of research into these alterations in consciousness so we can't even find out if there are reproducible effects across individuals. If you did care about scientific inquiry and reproducibility then you would also be against these absurd restrictions. Because of this self-imposed ignorance we'…

How is describing our brains as "consciousness computers" inaccurate? Our brains have so many analogous components to computers. Both have working memory, long term memory, both have processors proficient in either linear or parallel processing, and the way our neurons interact formed the basis for neutral networks in software. You also seem to think that I believe it's a good thing that psychedelics are illegal, whe…

Every era has attempted to explain the functions of the brain using metaphor, usually whatever technological apparatus most in vogue at the time. Hydraulic, mechanical, electrical, and now digital comparisons have all been made and they're all a very poor fit. You could just as easily make the same comparisons you gave to a piece of paper and a pencil. It has working memory where you write and erase lines, it has long term memory where you leave the written lines, and you can perform computations on it by writing them out long form. The comparison should seem absurd because the functions of memory and computation are not actually part of consciousness, they are things acted upon by consciousness.

This makes sense if you imaging 3 scenarios:

1) A person with no short term memory e.g. someone with acute dementia

2) No long term memory e.g. amnesia

3) No processing e.g. sensory deprivation

The third scenario is not perfect but depends entirely on how you define processing. Here I've defined it as operating on sensory input. If you want to define it as "thinking" then you will need to define what thinking is.

As for biological vs. artificial neural networks, yes it appears that a neural network is required for consciousness to exist given our single example of human consciousness. We don't know how this works so we can't even say for sure if the way we've implemented artificial neural networks would be capable of producing a form a consciousness. They can process and categorize data in ways that seem similar to what our brains do with sense perception but so far we haven't come anywhere close to simulating what we would call a conscious agent. Artificial NNs don't tie computers to the brain in a meaningful way because we are only using computers to simulate NNs. It would be better to just talk about the properties of NNs and leave computers out of it.

I apologize if I've made it seem like I'm accusing you of advocating for the illegality of psychedelics. I meant to criticize your opinion that they have little to no benefit since you were arguing that we could derive the same effects from going for a walk or moving to a different country.

"pushing frontiers forwards further and faster than space exploration" this wasn't from me and is not something I necessarily agree with

Re: Psilocybin Produced in Yeast

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People with psychiatric disorders need spiritual journeys. Spiritual journeys heal and cleanse the mind, heal and cleanse the soul. Do not try to strip that away. The commodification of medicine troubles me--I prefer the perspective of sacred medicine. It goes roughly definitionally / tautologically: if something heals you, is it not sacred? And likewise, if something is sacred, it heals you. By definition. The idea…

Why can't science be spiritual?

This is not a well-formed question.

Re: Psilocybin Produced in Yeast

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I wonder if this type of thinking is a side effect of dmt et al. Perhaps they aren't as safe as is believed.

Do you mean to imply that my "type" of thinking is bad / wrong / unsafe?

Sorry if it came off that way. Consider the inverse: if your type of thinking was changed to my type of thinking by a drug you might think twice about how safe that drug is, wouldn't you?
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