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A lot of trade goes over those borders, and it only takes a few cases on the wrong side. Sure if on 1 Jan the RoW had shut borders with china things might have gone ok.

You can never get 100%, but it seems you can get enough to prevent it from flaring into community transmission. Keep in mind if I'm wrong, this lock down never ends - that's the only way you can keep other hot spots in the world from reinfecting your country after you get it under control.

Border lockdowns do not stop community spread unless perfect. It's like the spark that starts a fire.

Re: The plans to reopen the economy are scary

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> It's clearly a case of more right leaning areas taking less cautious measures in favor of money. While I see where you’re coming from with this statement, I’m not sure I agree. From where I stand - a town of 13k people surrounded by a large rural area - it makes sense that we’re taking less aggressive action because the virus is not yet endemic here. Given the growth of confirmed cases in my area (northern Arkansas…

Literally everyone in this scenario thinks this way at first because they can't comprehend exponential growth. Nobody can, there are actual studies that show nobody can understand it so it's not a slight. The only way you can convince me based on evidence elsewhere that your scenario is going to be any better than anywhere else is if your leadership in your area is doing aggressive testing, contact tracing and target…

I’ve been watching this situation for months at this point, so I can assure you I’m personally taking it seriously.

It’s not that my area is taking no measures at all - only that we’re being much less aggressive about it than other areas. All of the restaurants are closed for dine-in, as many as possible are working from home, and we’re social distancing.

The governor of Arkansas is convinced that is enough. So far - at least for the area where I live - that does indeed seem to be the case. There have been a total of five confirmed positives in my county, and one of them is already listed as recovered. The data are not above teh noise floor, so it’s hard to be completely sure, but it really looks like we’re succeeding in keeping it from getting a foothold here.

Re: The plans to reopen the economy are scary

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I have seen a few click-bait headlines stating that the "oversight was fired" but it is not exactly true. There is some politics going on about who is chair of the PRAC but the other ~20 members of the committee have not changed.

The procession of a dictator is more nuanced and complex than people realize. A totally typical tactic is to repeatedly fire anyone who will take up the role in a fashion that does not directly benefit said dictator. That anyone was fired from this duty without a clear explanation and justification is cause for alarm. It doesn't matter if there are 20 or 2000 more ready to step into that position. Dictator will keep…

Replace the word "dictator" with "leader" in your statement, and your sophistry becomes obvious. You are just describing common traits of executive leadership, conflating them with a shallow and dumbed down version of "dictator" to try to make it fit.

>that does not directly contribute towards said leader's goals and the goals of his electorate

Well yeah, in most of these cases you are talking about unelected bureaucrats caught trying to undermine and subvert the elected President's agenda and constitutional authority.

Are you trying to say a President should not have people helping him, and that he should permit employees who have been secretly and actively working against his agenda and undermining his authority? Seriously?

>repeatedly fire

How do you "repeatedly fire" someone?

>That anyone was fired from this duty without a clear explanation and justification is cause for alarm

Good thing nothing like that has happened, no matter what the fired individuals or their "resistance supporters" might like everybody to think. Falling for this line depends purely on ignorance and buying into the opposition's propaganda without question.

What part of Commander and Chief of the United States do you not understand? Was Obama a "dictator" when he blanket fired all of Bush's political appointees without explanation? Or was it, rather, the routine action of an incoming President attempting to set up his incoming agenda for success?

>until he sees a loyal drone in the slot

As opposed to a disloyal drone? Come on... This is just sad at this point.

>The procession of a dictator is more nuanced and complex than people realize.

Not really, though it really is fun to see Progressives leak their inner motivations through projection.

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Your chance of getting a severe case of you are infected is 5-10% or something similar. That’s a case that you want to have a hospital bed for, maybe an ICU bed. If all beds are taken then many of those severe cases will kill people. Say mortality is 3% instead of 0.5% once hospital capacity runs out. Assume 60% need to get it before we have herd immunity. I don’t think 3% mortality without healthcare is pessimistic.…

The data on the Santa Clara (California) stats site shows that 10% of those tested are infected. https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/DiseaseInformation/novel-co... What your comment is missing is that the mortality of ventilators is 66% - 90%. So they're not a good solution for most patients. ICU doctors have been recommending using non-intrusive methods like cannulas as long as possible before intubating. However, that…

Early numbers from Sweden report 80% survival from ICU. Not all of those were on invasive ventilation, and there may be a bias where survivors are discharged sooner while those who eventually die are still there. But numbers are definitely encouraging says doctors.
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