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Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Flyover country provides food, manufacturing and talent to many corporations that you don't know but interact with every day. As a 20 year resident of California, this state is absolutely broke and barely survives as it is. It would be a failed nation-state if it was on its own.

I'm gonna argue that all of those things are fungible commodities easily bought by the next supplier should they become unavailable from flyover country. Curious why you've lived for so long in a state you apparently have a lot of disdain for. There must be something keeping you there.

If they were so easily bought then they would be, but you missed the fact that the state is broke and can't pay for anything anyway.

Family keeps my primary residence here, but that's irrelevant to the discussion.

Here's an exercise: ask a CA resident to name 10 things that have gotten better over the last decade in this state. I'd be surprised if they name 1.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Make your choice: Accept that the next time you visit they will remember you. or Choose not to visit. or Delete your cookie or use curl or go private browser mode or hunt in google for the title to read the cache page or pay someone to copy over the contents to text. Plenty of choices. I'd go private browser mode in your case. Well I would just accept the cookie.

It's not really about the cookies - it does not limit itself to "the next time you visit they will remember you" - even in the case of private browser mode (or if deleting cookies) it won't proceed without "agreeing" to the use of cookies and other similar technologies (i.e. whatever fingerprinting methods they can figure out - their privacy policy lists that they're tracking pretty much everything that I could think…

In this case I don't understand.

They ask for consent. You choose to provide it.

If you are putting forward the idea that you should be able to not consent but still use the service or view the content. Anyone not providing access is doing an illegal act in Europe. I'm not sure that's fair either. You choose to visit the site.

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I'm not sure what communists wanted to do that. Care to shed some light?

Communists believe countries and governments should be abolished. Seeking the destruction of the American government and country is unamerican.

That has never been the communist philosophy. Communism seeks to destroy private property ownership and capitalism, because they believe that the profit generated by any business is the right of its workers, not the capital owner. They intend to do that by taking ownership of all resources and property by the state and the state managing all businesses.

None of this involves abolishing countries and governments. If anything, communism involves a far more stronger sense of community, patriotism, and a much more powerful government

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They say "anti-nationalist" is a bad thing? Wow.

Since when was India a nation? It's got dozens of languages, two major religions (one of which is more of an ecumenical blending of ancient practices), and many ethnic groups and cultural norms. A nation is by definition homogeneous or nearly so across these variations. By my estimation India is an empire, and nationalism makes no sense in its context. Patriotism maybe, or political loyalty. Just seems like a weird c…

> A nation is by definition homogeneous or nearly so across these variations.

That is a bad and definitely wrong definition

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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No one suppressed secession. There have been secession movements not just in Kashmir but in North East too. That doesn't give anyone the authority to conduct terror attacks on fellow citizens. When things go beyond a point of no return then force is needed. Since the day India Abrogated Article 370 there hasn't been one major terror attack in Kashmir. That is good enough for the rest of India that was sick and tired…

> Would you be willing to have your Nation broken up into multiple pieces because some Tom, Dick or Harry doesn't like the way it is now? As someone who conceivably sees this happening to his country in the relatively near future (English; Scotland leaving the UK), I'm not sure it's my right to prevent the secession of an identifiable group/country/region (the special status under Article 370 seems to suggest Jammu a…

> the special status under Article 370 seems to suggest Jammu and Kashmir _might_ be such

Nope. Article 370 was always a temporary provision. It was not permanent Special Status. The Act itself said that the provision was temporary and could be lifted by just Presidential Consent. And the will of the people cannot be taken into account without considering Kashmiri Pandits who are the original inhabitants of Kashmir but were kicked out by Jihadis in the 90s. Read up on Exodus and Genocide of Kashmiri Pandits. They are living as refugees in their own country. For past 30 years. Has there been a greater injustice than this? And you can see the vitriol against the Pandits in the comment section for yourself. See your sibling comment on how ridiculous some can get when it comes to the treatment meted out to the Pandits. If this is how their reaction is towards Kashmiri Pandits in the virtual world imagine what it is like on ground. They were given 3 options: Raliv, Galiv ya Chaliv which translates to Convert, Die or Leave. Another popular slogan: "Leave your women behind". You may have calls for separatism in your country but it was never on religious lines. You will never understand that pain.

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No one suppressed secession. There have been secession movements not just in Kashmir but in North East too. That doesn't give anyone the authority to conduct terror attacks on fellow citizens. When things go beyond a point of no return then force is needed. Since the day India Abrogated Article 370 there hasn't been one major terror attack in Kashmir. That is good enough for the rest of India that was sick and tired…

So we are going to go back to Pandits taking 75% of seats in NIT Srinagar? Is that acchhe din?

Don't lie. NIT Srinagar is governed by the AICTE. It cannot have different rules from NITs in the rest of the country. Your hatred for Kashmiri Pandits is clearly visible for all to see. You made multiple comments on the Pandits who have suffered the most. Have some shame.

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As a young tech person in India, this stuff makes me so angry. The ruling party here (BJP) doesn't have any real competition. Which means they can get away with pretty much anything. They've banned VPNs. They'll chuck you in prison if you speak against the government or a politician. Then they'll brand you as an "anti-nationalist" and openly say to their supporters that you deserve to be shot. Facial recognition is n…

This comment has so many factual inaccuracies. 1. Vote share for BJP in urban areas have been consistent with rural areas in the most recent national election of 2019. Source: Official website of election commission of India 2. There are multiple celebrity status people (including journalists, students, politicians) and common people openly complaining against government on Twitter and in public forums and they are a…

This comment is not full of factual inaccuracies. In-fact it doesn't cover the length and breadth of the atrocities happening in India. To cite some examples:

- Kanhaiya Kumar (cited above), hundreds of students and even 10 year olds have sedition cases against them.

- The competition has been decimated. BJP spends 3X more than all of the other parties combined together in Elections

- Section 144 (prohibiting assembly of 4 or more people) has been arbitrarily applied across India.

- Free press has been demolished and right wing mouthpieces are both propped up and given a free run. False cases against The Hindu, NDTV, Hostile takeover of CNN-IBN etc.. I can cite a dozen more examples

- BJP losing state elections mean noting. Modi's role model is Xi. He wants to be benovalent dictator of life.

- State sponsored violence in India is the norm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq-HQ7boPvE

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Was it peaceful enough that Kashmiri Pandits could return without fear of being killed? If no, then it was not peaceful..

Not sure what that has to do with BANNING 10 MILLION PEOPLE FROM USING INTERNET for 5 months and then banning all social media but from my experience of meeting Pandits in Srinagar who HAVE returned, yes. Plus, OP implied that Kashmir is peaceful now because of people not having internet access. Are you now saying until Pandits return, Kashmir will have no internet access?

Population of Kashmir is around 6.9 million not 10 million. Total population of Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh is 12 million of which Kashmir is a part.

Don't include Jammu, Leh and Ladakh into this as they want to be with India in totality. Even the Kashmiris you talk about are incomplete without the 5 lakh Kashmiri Pandits who were forcibly made to leave from the Valley. The popular slogan : Raliv, Galiv, Chaliv (Convert, Die or Leave) and the fact that they wanted the Pandits to "leave their women behind" shows what kind of Religious hysteria was fanned up to dislodge the original inhabitants: Kashmiri Pandits, from their homes. Have some shame. Repent for the sins committed on the Pandits community that gave shelter, only to turn against them in the end. Kashmiri Pandits are living as refugees in their own country. What can be more shameful than that? No matter how much you justify the Kashmiri cause the Genocide and Exodus of Kashmiri Pandits will remain a big blot on Kashmiriyat. You cannot suppress Truth for long.

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This comment has so many factual inaccuracies. 1. Vote share for BJP in urban areas have been consistent with rural areas in the most recent national election of 2019. Source: Official website of election commission of India 2. There are multiple celebrity status people (including journalists, students, politicians) and common people openly complaining against government on Twitter and in public forums and they are a…

This comment is not full of factual inaccuracies. In-fact it doesn't cover the length and breadth of the atrocities happening in India. To cite some examples: - Kanhaiya Kumar (cited above), hundreds of students and even 10 year olds have sedition cases against them. - The competition has been decimated. BJP spends 3X more than all of the other parties combined together in Elections - Section 144 (prohibiting assembl…

It is factually inaccurate. VPNs are running all across India except in Kashmir. Stop this hyperbole. You can fool some people some of the time but not all people all the time.

> The competition has been decimated. BJP spends 3X more than all of the other parties combined together in Elections

How is this an atrocity? This is legitimate right of every party to spend how much ever it gets as donations from the public. The Congress held the ubiquitous position for 60 years. No one questioned political spending then. Why is BJP being questioned for the same now? Just because the public resonate with BJP's National policies and donate to the party? Now will this also be termed as an atrocity? Can't believe the nuts that exist in India.

> Section 144 (prohibiting assembly of 4 or more people) has been arbitrarily applied across India.

Section 144 cannot be arbitrarily applied. Section 144 is imposed by a Magistrate who is an Administrator not an elected official. And a Magistrate will never apply Section 144 arbitrarily without there being a valid cause. And Section 144 is better than riots. Prevention is better than cure. When it comes to choosing between disorder, damage to public property, rioting protestors, communal clashes and Section 144, I would choose Section 144 any day.

Modi is one of those individuals who has been vilified by one community for almost 20 odd years now. It's nothing new. And the amount of media bashing he gets every day even Manmohan Singh did not get the same treatment. No matter how much you lie that there is no freedom to express in India it is infact the exact opposite. Media that is anti-Modi and anti-BJP: NDTV, The Wire, Quint, The Hindu, Indian Express, Newslaundery, ABP News, Aaj Tak, India Today and countless other regional news channels and smaller outlets. The cases filed against some of the media houses are not "false". They are involved in money laundering and are being investigated for the same. No court has said that the cases are "false". This is again malicious propaganda. Show me on case which the Indian Courts have ruled as "fake". Not one.

Sedition cases are slapped against those who have called for break up of the country. It is a case. It is not a conviction. It is a legitimate right of the Government to file cases against those who indulge in Anti-India activities. If Modi was emulating Xi he would have gotten Kanhaiya Kumar killed not have some sedition case slapped on him. Why would he bother taking the legal route if he was a Dictator? Never heard of a Dictator filing legal cases. If this is what you call as "Modi emulating Xi" then I say it is a pathetic attempt at emulating Xi.

Your own arguments fall flat the moment you start dig into the facts instead of becoming emotional!

What is happening in Shaheen Bagh? A protest against the Citizenship Amendment Act that has been going on for more than 40 days where a public road has been blocked. Any other country you would have had riot police beat up the protestors and have them evacuated for causing nuisance to public. We can understand 1 or 2 days of protests but 40 days? This is ridiculous. 40 days of public road being blocked! Which Dictator will allow that? Have some shame.

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This comment has so many factual inaccuracies. 1. Vote share for BJP in urban areas have been consistent with rural areas in the most recent national election of 2019. Source: Official website of election commission of India 2. There are multiple celebrity status people (including journalists, students, politicians) and common people openly complaining against government on Twitter and in public forums and they are a…

There is no way that anyone other than BJP will win the election on the national level anytime soon. Congress and Rahul Gandhi is a joke, they've fucked our nation over too much to win again. AAP doesn't have a lot of support outside of Delhi and a couple other states, and the same can be said for all other regional parties. None of them can step up to and beat BJP. It's the unfortunate truth. The police shoot at and…

The Thoothukudi case is for the State Government Police to handle. How is Modi responsible for it? Just because you have an alliance partner doesn't mean that BJP becomes party to it or ordered it. This is what happens when you indulge in hyperbole. It just weakens your own arguments.
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