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Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by zepto »

acdha wrote: post #145
fredgrott wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its an interesting design problem ie UX. If I force log-ins or abusive pop-ups I end up making the problem worse. What Reddit needs is a very creative UX solution. Something of value that gets presented in the app but is not inthe mobile-web version delivered via browser. Some app interaction rather than some extra content. Something interactive that is exclusive to the mobile app. Not something big interaction wise…

It’s abusive to tell people they need an app to get access to something when there’s no technical reason for the requirement. Everyone knows the real reason is better ad targeting / data resale but that’s not something a user should care about – users aren’t your shareholders and there are plenty of formerly big companies which spent too much time on things which didn’t benefit their users. If you’re thinking UX, the…

No - there is nothing inherently abusive about apps vs websites.

This is just bias on your part.

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by samhain »

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #190
thaumaturgy wrote: post #30

Reddit has been a/b testing behavior like this for months. Multiple different popups with variations on "view this in the app"; in some cases the popup is on every single page load, sometimes only once. They started blurring images on select subreddits with a message that you could only view the sub in their app. Okay, I know they're chasing one of two things here: a higher level of revenue from the advertising they…

I worked for a company that did something similar (and is mentioned elsewhere in these threads). We a/b tested it, and just from the metrics, getting someone to download the app was so valuable from a stickiness perspective that it _looked_ like it was worth the negative effects. You're right though, from a user trust perspective it's pretty horrendous. Regardless of whether that was measurable or not, there are thin…

I'm still quite a fairly active user on reddit going on a decade now. If they started implementing this on a wide scale then I'd like to think I'd stop using it completely. I've gone on a few hiatus during some of the controversies regarding the degradation of the communities and values that they original founders represented, think like 2014 during that debacle with the office move, or the "good cop, bad cop" that was taking place with Pao and her restrictions on what some communities viewed as free speech. As more corporate interests and perhaps even governments take notice of reddit's community impact, I'm sure that more restrictions will be implemented and content watered down until it's hardly any different than facebook. At that point I will hopefully have found and fully moved on to a better place.

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by acdha »

zepto wrote: post #211
acdha wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s abusive to tell people they need an app to get access to something when there’s no technical reason for the requirement. Everyone knows the real reason is better ad targeting / data resale but that’s not something a user should care about – users aren’t your shareholders and there are plenty of formerly big companies which spent too much time on things which didn’t benefit their users. If you’re thinking UX, the…

No - there is nothing inherently abusive about apps vs websites. This is just bias on your part.

This is about repeatedly ignoring clear user preferences because one of the options gives more access to the user’s data for marketing. I’d have nothing against them offering the app, doing the standard banner, etc. – what makes it abusive is pretending there’s a choice when one of the options starts a cycle of nagging and “accidentally” breaking the experience until you switch.

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by dean177 »

jjcm wrote: post #90
dehrmann wrote: post #49

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> eventually they're incentivised to have dark patterns like this in order to drive up revenue and engagement. I think you'd still see sites drive engagement, even for paid offerings. Look at Netflix and autoplay. You're almost asking for something like a media outlet that values the greater good over pretty much everything else.

Fair, but I think Netflix's approach is less nefarious than other platforms. At the end of the day Netflix wants you to do two things: value their platform and spread the word. With things like instagram and facebook, it's different - their objective is to get you as addicted to the platform as possible, collect as much data as they can, and use it as a platform to surface ads. They simply have more drivers that are…

Anyone care to explain why they downvoted this?

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by zepto »

acdha wrote: post #213
zepto wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No - there is nothing inherently abusive about apps vs websites. This is just bias on your part.

This is about repeatedly ignoring clear user preferences because one of the options gives more access to the user’s data for marketing. I’d have nothing against them offering the app, doing the standard banner, etc. – what makes it abusive is pretending there’s a choice when one of the options starts a cycle of nagging and “accidentally” breaking the experience until you switch.

Do you have evidence this is about user data, or is that just confirmation bias?

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by Mindwipe »

Spoom wrote: post #92
dleslie wrote: post #46

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I've started using third party apps to access Reddit.

I'm convinced they're going to pull a Twitter and privatize their APIs, disabling third party apps.

They continually promise they won't.

I don't trust them on this remotely either, but given the official app is hot garbage then that would mean a signifcant net reduction of time on the service from me, just like it did on Twitter.

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by tobr »

Freak_NL wrote: post #89
thewhitetulip wrote: post #84

I gave up on read Quora when they forced logins I will give up on reddit if they do the same. Isn't visits a valid criteria? Why force a mobile app?

Browsers are agents of the user, apps are agents of the company behind the app. With a browser the user can install extensions and do things that benefit them, in an app you get exactly what the app owner gives you. If monetization is your only purpose, you would choose apps exclusively if your users are willing to accept it.

> Browsers are agents of the user, apps are agents of the company behind the app.

Alas, browsers are also apps.

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by mirimir »

tubbs wrote: post #177
screenbeard wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tildes feels like Reddit used to. it's just low on new content at the moment. More users would be good.

I was very interested in Tildes, especially because their commitment to privacy and staying independent of investors. However, Deimos + potentially other admins are far too liberal with their moderation for my taste. Not every network has to be a bastion of free speech, but being closed minded and erasing entire discussions that they don't like is a great way to build an echo chamber. I wish a remember more of the co…

I was thinking about seeking an invitation, but that totally turns me off. I hate reading spam, trolling and insane gibberish. Unless it's amusing, or thought provoking, anyway. But I also hate moderation by deletion or editing, especially if it's ideological and extreme.

I like the HN approach, generally. Even people who have gotten themselves shadowbanned can still post, and interesting comments can be vouched. And there's redemption with consistent evidence of constructive posting.

Ideally, though, I like distributed systems, where content is persistent and irrevocable. But with multiple portals, each with its own standards, and portal-specific moderation. And additionally, giving users the tools to filter, based on posters, topics, keywords, time, etc.

Anyway, about the URL, archive.org has no snapshots, and just tells me that it's available. But perhaps someone has archived it, and will post a link.

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