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Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by atoav »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #45
blhack wrote: post #23

What a strange thing to be this user hostile. When stuff like this happens, people look for alternatives, and even if they don’t switch immediately, this really erodes any loyalty they have to your brand/service. I think Facebook is experiencing a similar thing. A frustrating amount of my network has quit, which makes planning events more difficult (and is frustrating). The difference for Facebook is that they have e…

An alternative to Reddit? It's a monopoly. Where are you going to go? Voat? They can be as horrible to their users as they want. As long as they have cat pictures on the front page, nobody cares enough to change anything. I think we're all getting exactly what is deserved by collectively allowing a monopoly to form. (I'm not suggesting there should be legal action. I'm saying, by the laws of exponential curves and po…

It is not a monopoly — while there is only one reddit the effect this has on me is, that I read literally anything else: small blogs, wikipedia, books, news, this site etc.

If they wouldn't use these practices I would probably spend a significant amount of time on their site. But as it is now, I feel reluctant to visit reddit unless I am searching for a solution to a specific problem.

I am not even sure if users like me who stay away even show up in any of the metrics they use to justify their current actions — how would they even messure it?

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by GlitchMr »

themagician wrote: post #63
catalogia wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> would click on everything and anything. Particularly ads. I don't think it's necessarily computer illiteracy specifically to blame here, though it's certainly a factor. The elderly are also targeted by telephone scammers, presumably because they tend to be more trusting/naive. Even snail-mail becomes an issue for some old folks; my grandmother has trouble differentiating junk mail from legitimate mail, it can somet…

My parents fall prey to a new Facebook scam every couple weeks. I can’t even keep up with it anymore. Scam isn’t even the right word. More like “scheme”. Everything from anti-aging pills to travel clubs to worse. Between this garbage and the fake news nonsense Facebook is an absolute disease at this point. Honestly, someone should start a campaign to ask Mark Zuckerberg to just delete it. Cash out and delete it for t…

Mark Zuckerberg cannot do this. He could sell his shares and leave Facebook, but it would still work.

Your best bet about shutting down Facebook is government action or useds leaving Facebook. Either of those seems almost impossible however, and keep in mind Facebook has money to purchase its competitors if useds start moving to them.

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by tialaramex »

RuleOfBirds wrote: post #74
bad_user wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree, for one b/c Reddit is a links aggregator and opening links works best in a full browser instead of a shitty in-app web view, plus it's the little things like ability to copy/paste or go back to a previous page, that are sometimes emulated in native apps, but never work well. But even if you think Reddit works better in a native app for you, that's by design. Reddit is making the web experience shitty o…

"Reddit is a links aggregator" feels pretty inaccurate. Some subreddits, especially the big and lowest common denominator ones may be mostly link sharing, but most of the ones I'm on are communities sharing questions, opinions, jokes, images, and stories.

Yup. Playing a difficult Minecraft pack the first stop is r/feedthebeast to look at other people's advice. Later I'd return with questions most of which will be FAQs. Example, last week I made Project Ozone 3's fluid container that has an infinite amount of any liquid you put inside it. First question I had was, how do I empty this to put something else in? Because if the answer is "You can't" I need to pick very carefully what to use it for. The trouble with the correct answer "Shift left click a Gauge Dropper in the UI" is that I thought I'd tried that. So did lots of people, but Reddit has a comment thread patiently walking us through each step and yup, it works.

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by pferde »

viklove wrote: post #35

This is why I started developing an alternative to Reddit a few years ago. It was clear from their leadership that they would continue to move towards satisfying their newly acquired VCs (for example Tencent), and do so by selling out their users in every way possible. Platforms like Reddit do not care about giving their users the best possible experience, and that is no longer the basis of the decisions they make. T…

Looks good so far.

A suggestion, though - if you really can't make the site work at least a little bit with javascript disabled, at least have a basic landing/about page display for js-less browsers. Simply put - give me a reason to consider unblocking your site, dangle the carrot in front of me.

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by dvh »

viklove wrote: post #35

This is why I started developing an alternative to Reddit a few years ago. It was clear from their leadership that they would continue to move towards satisfying their newly acquired VCs (for example Tencent), and do so by selling out their users in every way possible. Platforms like Reddit do not care about giving their users the best possible experience, and that is no longer the basis of the decisions they make. T…

I just made gamedev "sub" there, let's see where it gets.

- consider shorter url, instead of /forum/gamedev /p/gamedev or something so it can be referenced in text like on Reddit

- I never liked any dark theme so I hope It can be made light

- in submit form allow me to prefil link from url parameter and title too so that I can easily post from rss reader

- add rss feeds

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by jaynetics »

rahuldottech wrote: post #21
jaynetics wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- you can track them more thoroughly - you can "please" them with push notifications - you can save bandwidth by putting static assets / the framework in the app and only load content

- much harder to block ads in apps than in browsers.

Good point. I use DNS66 which blocks ads in both so I forgot about that.

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by Freak_NL »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #84

I gave up on read Quora when they forced logins I will give up on reddit if they do the same. Isn't visits a valid criteria? Why force a mobile app?

Browsers are agents of the user, apps are agents of the company behind the app.

With a browser the user can install extensions and do things that benefit them, in an app you get exactly what the app owner gives you. If monetization is your only purpose, you would choose apps exclusively if your users are willing to accept it.

Re: "This community is available in the app"

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Post by jjcm »

dehrmann wrote: post #49
jjcm wrote: post #22

More and more I think the whole ad-driven approach to sites is just unsustainable, as eventually they're incentivised to have dark patterns like this in order to drive up revenue and engagement. I'm working on my own alternatives, but all I really want is a premium reddit like community that focuses on UX and gives some of my subscription back to the creators.

> eventually they're incentivised to have dark patterns like this in order to drive up revenue and engagement. I think you'd still see sites drive engagement, even for paid offerings. Look at Netflix and autoplay. You're almost asking for something like a media outlet that values the greater good over pretty much everything else.

Fair, but I think Netflix's approach is less nefarious than other platforms. At the end of the day Netflix wants you to do two things: value their platform and spread the word.

With things like instagram and facebook, it's different - their objective is to get you as addicted to the platform as possible, collect as much data as they can, and use it as a platform to surface ads.

They simply have more drivers that are at odds with what's beneficial to the user.

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