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A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by paradox242 »

retrac wrote: post #26
c3534l wrote: post #11

I've heard a few stories where a person seemed to suddenly acknowledge that they were about to die. Granted, my grandmother repeatedly claimed she was going to die that night and the one time it was true the family lore became that she somehow knew. But to stop what you're doing like that, I wonder what it is they're actually feeling in the moment. Did he know he was going to die? Did he just feel dizzy? What do peop…

Supposedly, a panic attack is subjectively similar in some ways to actually having a major medical emergency, especially a heart attack. "Impending sense of doom" is a symptom of a heart attack.

Yep, I went to the ER for what I was sure was a heart attack, and it turned out to be a panic attack. It was weird, I did not feel particularly anxious other than my reaction to the constricting pain radiating from the left side of my chest.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by theboywho »

TheFiend7 wrote: post #202
theboywho wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We kinda know that memory lies in the brain and that the brain gets rotten after you die. Symbolism is nice but it can’t replace actually meaningful moments.

Literally just semantics and opinion. What's the difference between symbolism and meaningful moments for some? And yeah, everyone is aware you don't remember anything when you die. When I die, I want to die in a way that impacts those left behind, because like you said, I won't remember it but they will.

Meaningful moments don't exclude symbolic ones. You can die in a heroic way (that some might find stupid since symbols are subjective) but my personal opinion is that the quality time you spend with the people you leave behind counts far more than an single act at the end.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by bmgxyz »

cyberferret wrote: post #52

Condolences to his family and friends, but for an entertainer, I can think of no better thing that you remember last in the world, and that is to be entertaining people and to be in the middle of your craft when the reaper taps you on the shoulder. Somehow, me collapsing on my keyboard mid code doesn't seem all that great way to go. I will have to get another passion that I am mid stream in and enjoying life to the m…

I agree. If death is compulsory, why not have fun?

Some others in this thread have brought up the point that sudden death is more difficult for those who live on. I agree with that, too, so I suppose I don't know what I think about this.

Dying mid-code doesn't sound as great as dying after having just completed a coding project or task. The feeling of frustration and confusion changing to pride and accomplishment is a powerful one, at least for me.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by justforyou »

theboywho wrote: post #209
justforyou wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sloppy philosphy. Symbolism is clearly defined, but "actual meaningful moments" is a culturally subjective term without actual meaning. Furthermore, symbols are largely how our species interprets and experiences reality. Symbols provide meaning. Without them, moments are mere streams of phenomenon.

Symbolism is as subjective as it gets, an act can be interpreted as heroic by some people while others might think it's stupid. Meaningful moments don't exclude symbolic ones, they extend them by including banal moments like having an ice cream with your kid and enjoying it.

Having an ice cream with your kids and enjoying it is only meaningful due to the cultural symhols and context present in the scenario.

Otherwise, you're just hijacking short term reward systems and facilitating the consumption of empty calories to the (health) detriment of all parties involved.

There's no inherent meaning in the scenario.

Sounds like you are conflating meaning with the felt quality of immediate experience.

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Post by ta999999171 »

Iv wrote: post #148
mprev wrote: post #73

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I’ll assume you haven’t been close to people in the last stages of some of the crueller diseases such as MND/ALS.

See? People would assume tons of things about other people. And one common assumption is that "what I want for me is what others want for them." My opinion on the issue was already strong, but seeing people die after long diseases and people around them talking about "unplugging" them is what made me certain I do not want euthanasia. My grandfather wanted to live even with half a lung functional and painful breathing…

Lungs don't control whether you have any understanding of the people around you...

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by sosuke »

bmgxyz wrote: post #214
cyberferret wrote: post #52

Condolences to his family and friends, but for an entertainer, I can think of no better thing that you remember last in the world, and that is to be entertaining people and to be in the middle of your craft when the reaper taps you on the shoulder. Somehow, me collapsing on my keyboard mid code doesn't seem all that great way to go. I will have to get another passion that I am mid stream in and enjoying life to the m…

I agree. If death is compulsory, why not have fun? Some others in this thread have brought up the point that sudden death is more difficult for those who live on. I agree with that, too, so I suppose I don't know what I think about this. Dying mid-code doesn't sound as great as dying after having just completed a coding project or task. The feeling of frustration and confusion changing to pride and accomplishment is…

Dying before committing code, or before fixing a compilation failure. That sounds like a nightmare indeed.

After experiencing a few longer drawn out deaths I might argue a quick death as being "better" of the two options.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by ta999999171 »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #59
redleader55 wrote: post #46

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There's a very famous series of books by Isaac Asimov that deals with this problem - The Robots. Basically once humans are able to increase their life span, they become reluctant to take any risks and the become stuck in their own "immortality". It's no different than what the GP says. Weather it's until the end of the universe or just a few hundred years, we still become more risk adverse and less capable of change.

Gonna be honest - once we have backups, I'm totally intending to go into seriously risky behaviors. So this is 100% the opposite of how I intend to live my life.

So you'll kill yourself doing risky things... and then a clone of your mind will continue your life?

Seems...shortsighted.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by justforyou »

theboywho wrote: post #210
justforyou wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sloppy philosphy. Symbolism is clearly defined, but "actual meaningful moments" is a culturally subjective term without actual meaning. Furthermore, symbols are largely how our species interprets and experiences reality. Symbols provide meaning. Without them, moments are mere streams of phenomenon.

On a side note, the use of Furthermore has been correlated with decreasing readability of texts https://elifesciences.org/articles/27725

So has pedentry, and yet, here we are.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by mark-r »

bmgxyz wrote: post #214
cyberferret wrote: post #52

Condolences to his family and friends, but for an entertainer, I can think of no better thing that you remember last in the world, and that is to be entertaining people and to be in the middle of your craft when the reaper taps you on the shoulder. Somehow, me collapsing on my keyboard mid code doesn't seem all that great way to go. I will have to get another passion that I am mid stream in and enjoying life to the m…

I agree. If death is compulsory, why not have fun? Some others in this thread have brought up the point that sudden death is more difficult for those who live on. I agree with that, too, so I suppose I don't know what I think about this. Dying mid-code doesn't sound as great as dying after having just completed a coding project or task. The feeling of frustration and confusion changing to pride and accomplishment is…

Dying mid-code doesn't sound like much fun at all. Although it would beat dying mid-HN comment.

I think Tom Petty set a better example, dying a week after the end of his farewell tour.

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