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Post by diveanon »

Meph504 wrote: post #137
diveanon wrote: post #53

Why am I not surprised that it is Singapore doing this. That country is an authoritarian nanny state disguised as Disney Land. I have visited many times and have lots of friends there. Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable. They have truly figured out how to placate the masses.

>>"Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable. They have truly figured out how to placate the masses." Could this not equally be applied to America?

I hate America as much as the next Mexican, but to compare the two speaks to how little you have traveled.

The US has freedom of the press, Singapore does not. It really is that simple.

I worry about my ability to enter Singapore after posting comments like this, which is a real concern that impacts my livelihood.

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Post by diveanon »

vorpalhex wrote: post #100
qwtel wrote: post #95

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> Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable that's because freedom of press and similar rights are a uniquely western phenomenon that are --- despite what droves of its proponents will tell you --- derived from christian values that didn't and don't exist anywhere else. Many in the broader region don't care about freedom of press, while also being poorly paid and uncomfortable…

> derived from christian values This is not quite correct. Christian values would be a strict theocracy with no freedom of the press. Liberal values descend from a robust view of agency, eg humanism which is more or less incompatible with strict interpretations of Christianity. Compatible with deism though.

You are confusing catholicism with the teachings of christ.

Two very different messages.

Love your neighbor and judge others as you would judge yourself.

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Post by jrockway »

odessacubbage wrote: post #200
Grue3 wrote: post #143

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And Tokyo happens to be quite democratic and non-authoritarian. So an argument that people necessarily need Big Brother to behave falls flat on its face.

>democratic and non-authoritarian japan also has something like a 99 percent conviction rate, not sure how that aligns with being anti authoritarian.

It means that they don't prosecute people unless they have a perfect open-and-shut case.

21 days to be arraigned is nothing to be proud of, however.

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Post by diveanon »

archibaldJ wrote: post #74
ulfw wrote: post #63

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It's interesting to see people in the west often lauding Singapore for that and vilifying China if they do the same.

I've lived in Singapore for more than half of my life and met expats there from all walks of life. And I would tell you Singapore is very well integrated with western values, both in terms of the cultures and the social-political aspects of many things (other than weed and cocaine, etc; but you can certainly get your hand on some lsd if you know the right contacts). Anyway the point is that Singapore is very westerni…

Are you gay?

Because that is illegal in Singapore.

Seems very modern and forward thinking to me to make an entire lifestyle punishible by law.

Singapore attracts people like you, who are willing to overlook the glaring injustice because it is "clean and conservative".

Wake up.

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Post by diveanon »

archibaldJ wrote: post #129
archibaldJ wrote: post #74

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I've lived in Singapore for more than half of my life and met expats there from all walks of life. And I would tell you Singapore is very well integrated with western values, both in terms of the cultures and the social-political aspects of many things (other than weed and cocaine, etc; but you can certainly get your hand on some lsd if you know the right contacts). Anyway the point is that Singapore is very westerni…

I love how this comment received a few upvotes in the beginning and there came the downvotes. HN as I've known it have certainly changed to be more reddit-like now.

What point are you trying to make?

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Post by saiya-jin »

s3nnyy wrote: post #209
saiya-jin wrote: post #156

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Have you ever been to Switzerland? What you describe sounds like Suisse, but without all those dark aspects you mention. Open and just society that does treat people fairly. Super low criminality (compared to most world). Kids playing outside etc. Maybe for US persons this seems like a paradise, but its not a unique place. I know where I want to raise my kids. It sure as hell ain't some artificial bubble like Singapo…

You can ping me if you want to find a coding job in Switzerland (iwan@coderfit.com). I am a coder turned recruiter living and working in Zurich. I am active on the local tech job market.

Thank you, I already live and work here for 10 years, otherwise I wouldn't dare to comment about stuff I have no first hand experience with. Good luck to you

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Post by magduf »

humanrebar wrote: post #159
mclightning wrote: post #121

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>> Civilisation is the surrender of varying degrees of civil liberty for security and safety. That's a pretty reductivist way to define civilisation... From this definition; It sounds to me like there is a certain character/type of people who are redeemed as Civilized based on Govt definition. Thus justifies heavy control over society. "As a liberal", wouldn't it be more favourable to design the system around liberty…

> That's a pretty reductivist way to define civilisation... Agreed. I would consider banning slavery as more civilized, but it is an expansion of civil liberties. Same with having general freedom of expression. Any thug can ban "lies" he doesn't like. Kings used to declare themselves gods and execute dissenters.

>I would consider banning slavery as more civilized, but it is an expansion of civil liberties.

It's an expansion of civil liberties for one group (the enslaved), at the cost of limiting the civil liberties of another group (the former slave owners): you're preventing the slave owners from exercising their freedom to enslave people and force them to work.

>Same with having general freedom of expression. Any thug can ban "lies" he doesn't like.

Same here. Even a law that bans yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater is infringing on the civil liberties of people to speak freely and cause chaos.

Personally, I'm perfectly happy with these infringements of civil liberty. It's better for society to avoid needless chaos from people shouting "fire!" and to prevent people from being enslaved. But they are limiting absolute freedom.

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Post by markplindsay »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #142
malka wrote: post #101

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yeah, putting people in concentration camp because of their religion does not seem to buy them much credit. Weird.

Most Chinese Muslims are not Uyghur. The Chinese government doesn't care about its citizens being Muslim per se. The issues are actually quite different - separatism and a string terrorist attacks that caused a government crackdown.

The PRC's pressure on Muslims is hardly limited to Uyghurs. Please consider this recent NPR report ("'Afraid We Will Become The Next Xinjiang': China's Hui Muslims Face Crackdown") in Gansu and Henan: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-beco...

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Post by magduf »

SenHeng wrote: post #165
philliphaydon wrote: post #155

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> So an argument that people necessarily need Big Brother to behave falls flat on its face. Japanese culture is very different from pretty much any other culture. They respect each other and their country and environment. (except whales) They are raised from a young age to look after each other and respect each other. Something the rest of the world could learn from.

Japanese culture did not spring up out of the innate goodness of ancient Japanese. Culture is nurtured.

Japanese culture is largely a product of developing on an island archipelago where there's not much livable space (much of the land is mountains) and there's almost no natural resources. Add to that the various contacts with Western culture they had, and you get what they have now. The bit about respecting the environment (which isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than many other countries) is an example of this: when you don't have much space, you have to work harder at keeping your environment good because you don't have the option of just moving west when it gets too crowded, like they did in the US. Of course, they tried emulating the Europeans and doing the colonization thing a while back, and that didn't work out too well.

Culture is a product of your environment.

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Post by magduf »

odessacubbage wrote: post #202
raxxorrax wrote: post #112

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> My kid can run/play freely and I only worry about her running into traffic. To be fair, that is possible in a lot of countries, I would have doubts to do that in America though. And not only because of crime. > I actually began to question whether democracy was the absolute way. There are several democratic countries that beat Singapore in regards to safety. So I believe this to be flawed reasoning. It is a safe co…

you could let your kid run free & unsupervised with little worry on probably near 90+ percent of the north american landmass. i spent the vast majority of my childhood with little to no supervision and crime rates have only fallen since then.

You spent your childhood in a time before helicopter parenting became legally mandated. If you let your kid run free and unsupervised today in America, you will probably end up with a visit from CPS and/or the police, and you might get arrested. It has nothing at all to do with crime rates.
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