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Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

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Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#211

How relevant is a TLD anymore? There are so many options. Most people seem to use Google, and then after visiting the site, they use whatever the autocomplete in their address bar is. Or, they use an app. At least in India, I've seen most people doing this on their smartphones. Nobody likes to type in the address bar anymore.

Yes, this. I don't get how anyone actually cares about a top level domain. There are so many. Pick another.

I don't get how anyone actually cares about a top level domain

Do you even email, bro?

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#212

For all the good you've done in the past and now, Richard, this is just one long disappointing read. Between the lines, the text is "we don't have the people to maintain PIR and decided that rather than hire people for it, we should sell it" and then a for-profit shell was set up and PIR was funneled over to it, and now it's no longer your problem to have to deal with. From your perspective, that's not making things…

> "we don't have the people to maintain PIR and decided that rather than hire people for it, we should sell it"

Except, unless I am misunderstanding something there, they had outsourced running the registry to Afilias anyway? So it's not even that ...

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#213

I really don't like the internet and humanity in general for threads like this. Calling a particular person names like navie, idiot, gaslighter, corrupt, fool, greedy, insane, malicious, patsy, disingenuous, child, disgusting, unethical, etc, the way people in this thread have, is never a good thing. It's really not cool when the target is a person. Receiving dozens of people angrily accusing you of evil is upsetting…

I agree that in general name calling and personal attacks are no good. BUT, the word used in this thread aren't that harsh, come on. We're not made of glass. If you make a really idiotic choise don't cry when someone calls you an idiot.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

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I really don't like the internet and humanity in general for threads like this. Calling a particular person names like navie, idiot, gaslighter, corrupt, fool, greedy, insane, malicious, patsy, disingenuous, child, disgusting, unethical, etc, the way people in this thread have, is never a good thing. It's really not cool when the target is a person. Receiving dozens of people angrily accusing you of evil is upsetting…

Unfortunately gaslighting evil intentioned people take advantage of sentiments like these.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This should seriously discourage Ethos from doing this, because it would take 10 years for the new high rate to even take effect for existing registrants, and new registrations would likely fall off right away. It's the exact opposite of that. As soon as you announce a price hike, you don't get a giant loss of money, you get a giant flood of money as tons of people pre-pay for 10 years.

You even kinda get the best of both worlds, a cash infusion and more money in the long run. The org TLD has 14 million registrations in it right now. If Ethos announces a 50% price hike (increasing the base charge from $9 to $13.50), my guess is 2% of the domains would be immediately renewed for the 10-year max at the old price. So right off the bat, Ethos have 280,000 domains * ($9 * 10 years) = $25,200,000 in new c…

It occurs to me that I should probably extend all the .org domains I control (for a non-profit) to 10 years, now.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that the way trademark law works in the US you have to "defend" your marks or they can be considered abandoned. This means as long as renewing your domain is cheaper than the cost of hiring an attorney to send a Cease and Desist letter to the squatter who grabs it after you're better off paying. I'm guessing that horizon is more like 30-40 years off.

Is there any precedent where the abandonment of a domain has been accepted by the courts as abandonment of a trademark?

I do not know if anyone has lost a trademark over this, but in a practical sense you still need to be proactive--there is no trademark police force that will ensure nobody uses the domain inappropriately. Consider a donation-solicitation business that takes over abandoned .org domains to collect donations in your organization's name and then keep a percentage. You probably don't want that to happen, you certainly could make a reasonable trademark infringement case, but unless you take steps like sending them a C&D there's nothing stopping them. Even if all they did was put a CNAME for your old .org in that redirects to their own domain they could have a meaningful impact on your operations.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

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post #57

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I think it's worse than naive. His two points are in impossible conflict. He wanted a pile of money for the Internet Society, enough to "secure that work's future". But the only way selling .org is worth a pile of money is if it gets extracted from nonprofits. With plenty of profits left over to feed the investors who put up the initial cash. If the Internet Society wanted to secure their future, they should have rai…

Why could the Internet Society not have been the one raising prices by 10% ad infinitum. Need capital? Borrow it and pledge .org as security. There’s basically unlimited funds available in this manner because the .org cashflow stream is as reliable as anything. How naive indeed. What a shame.

Outsourcing “being the bad guy” is fairly common in the business world.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#218
If the management of .org customers was as distracting as he claims (I believe it), it would have been better to, instead of selling it, open up the administration to bids where the private companies have to reach certain goals and ensure certain provisions. If the management company can't do it or they start breaking their contact, control reverts back to the Internet Society.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#219
post #45

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That's reasonable in this case, people often complain (and sometimes reasonably so) that the people in this bureaucratic entities are far removed from the "real world" and don't really understand what they're dealing with.

Too bad his credentials did not make his argument good. I bet if he actually had a good argument ... well then nobody would be complaining that his argument is bad.

Yeah, his argument and conclusion are so bad that they're more likely to make me do a double-take on the value of his credentials.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

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post #175

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Wikipedia could absorb a trivial cost increase so it's likely that a PE firm would target them with more steep increases. From what I've read about their price increase limiting "agreement" it isn't one, it's just a statement and isn't laid out in any binding contracts. Maybe Wikipedia gets it's registration price bumped up to 3 million because the PE firm thinks the org can absorb the cost.

Why wouldn’t Wikipedia hedge against this outcome by extending their domain for 10 years tomorrow, and paying $100 to do that?

What happens after the 10 years are up? I very much hope that Wikipedia will be able to stay on the Internet for longer than that.
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