Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize

Post by esophaguse » Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 7:22 PM UTC

tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #128

moocowtruck wrote: post #123

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well, USPS has an IT union and I can tell you first hand it is no good for employees, the things you mentioned happening absolutely happen and the place is just a disaster

We have a contract with the USPS IT department and let me tell you, it is absolutely awesome for their employees. They do about half the work we do in twice the amount of time, get paid more, have more holidays (2 weeks + every single federal holiday) and have pensions. Every worker there clocks in at 9, and clocks out at exactly 5, not a single minute past. If you want a meeting or them to get you something, it need…

Post by guerrilla » Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 7:25 PM UTC

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #210

guerrilla wrote: post #208

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Are you asking for the purpose of a labor union and insinuating that all labor unions are corrupt?

I lived in the Michigan for a couple of decades and observed the behavior of the Teamsters and UAW firsthand so insinuation is not even necessary.

Post by stale2002 » Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 7:28 PM UTC

CameronBarre wrote: post #202

stale2002 wrote: post #195

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> Every worker there clocks in at 9, and clocks out at exactly 5 LUL! Those are amateur numbers, buddy. I do 11-6 maybe , and work at a big 5 tech company making big 5 tech company salaries. And frankly, we aren't working a lot of the time during the day either. And yes, we have the "unlimited" vacation, which usually results in people taking about 4 weeks a year, on average. I think people underestimate how easy it…

Do you have to go into the office or do you work remote?

Post by Can_Not » Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 7:30 PM UTC

darawk wrote: post #112

rdiddly wrote: post #28

I always wonder about these ham-handed anti-union efforts. I assume they must work to some degree, or they wouldn't do it. But it seems like the sudden escalation of anti-union arguments would only end up working in favor of the union. Because it betrays how against it they are. It confirms that yes, this union will have an effect, and not in management's favor. Like "Clearly we're onto something here if they oppose…

> It confirms that yes, this union will have an effect, and not in management's favor. Like "Clearly we're onto something here if they oppose it this much." I think it's important to note here that "bad for management" doesn't necessarily mean "good for employees". It is possible that unions are bad for both, by gumming up the negotiating process, and insulating low performing employees at the expense of high perform…

Post by AnthonyMouse » Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 7:36 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #80

guerrilla wrote: post #67

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> Unions are just corporations for labor. Not necessarily, some are democratic, like some in Sweden. The IWW is an example of an alternative to the centralized unions [1]. 1. https://www.iww.org/about/official/OBU

My point is that unions only suck if you let them suck. The devil is in the implementation details, and the effort put forth by members.