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Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

pedrocr wrote: post #33

I'll believe Microsoft loves Linux when I can install Microsoft Office in my desktop Linux machine. Everything else is marketing. Edit: to expand, the corporate world runs on Excel/PowerPoint/Outlook. Microsoft milks them on Windows/Office licensing and is very aggressive against organizations that try to do Linux deployments. They're a convicted monopolist that got away easily when at some point the option on the ta…

> I'll believe Microsoft loves Linux when I can install Microsoft Office in my desktop Linux machine.

I'll believe Microsoft loves Linux when I can install Windows after Linux and it doesn't mess up the bootloader as if it were the only game in town.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by antisemiotic »

vetinari wrote: post #210
RaleyField wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> want to be in control of their data and devices, The other day there was a thread on HN about which laptop is great for Linux. Tons of people recommended Lenovo, a guy from Redhat said it's even the brand that's used internally and I got a little depressed and smh. Nobody mentioned superfish. Those glorious days of Linux are gone.

Redhat internally uses Thinkpads. Superfish was on Ideapads, and it was bundled Windows software. While both are by Lenovo, they are separate product lines.

"We are a totally trustworthy company, we screw only some of our customers."

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by vetinari »

jdnenej wrote: post #198
lern_too_spel wrote: post #136

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If you want an SD card that is also readable by the digital camera ecosystem, what choice do you have?

How often are people taking a microSD card from their camera and putting it in their phone considering on a lot of devices this means pulling the battery out. Also they could support fat while not having the main system storage using fat.

Main system storage didn't use FAT; /sdcard did.

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Post by Piskvorrr »

dekhn wrote: post #124
notriddle wrote: post #112

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For one thing, that's throughput, not latency. For another, that's probably a desktop, not a smartphone.

That's correct, my metric for performance is throughput I don't really think a desktop vs a smartphone matters much at this comparison, it's just my observation that when people say a fuse filesystem is slow it's just not well-engineered, not that the fuse API is inherently slow

It matters a lot. You can squeeze impressive performance from a smartphone, too, but then you need to dump all that waste heat somewhere, plus you need to take battery capacity into account. In other words, in a desktop, power efficiency is commendable, but not critical.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by gurkendoktor »

riffraff wrote: post #182
sjwright wrote: post #137

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> I didn't hear back from prospective jobs that asked for a word format specifically This almost always means you're speaking to a recruiter who is going to strip your identity from the resume so they can hold it hostage for an agreed commission. This also puts your submission at a disadvantage because you're automatically 10% more expensive than the next guy. If you're submitting your job application, double check t…

I was lucky enough that I never had to apply for a job with such requirements, but how does one learn about stuff like this?

Have friends that work/have worked as a recruiter :)

PDF files aren't safe either. Even if you gave them a JPEG, they'd just transcribe your data into their own little CV template.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by Hwatwasthat »

School-Cotton wrote: post #164
chme wrote: post #114

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That depends. If they are a Linux user because Linux runs on their server, router, mobile phone or what not. Then you are probably right. People that go through the trouble of installing Linux on a Desktop Machine, where Windows or MacOS was probably pre-installed, will either dual boot or use Linux exclusively. If they dual-boot, they will probably just use Office on the non-Linux System and not care. But if they us…

There are a gigantic number of people whose university or corporate IT department installs Linux for them on standard issue hardware which they use every day for their job. E.g. big companies whose programmers all develop on Linux machines, or most academics in programming-adjacent fields like statistics or machine learning. Another category is people who installed it themselves because they like it better, but for n…

I fall into the another category. I use Linux because I like how I can customise heavily how it looks and have control over when updates are installed. I do some programming as well which does admittedly work better for me on Linux. I don't really care about the ideology. I use a Nvidia graphics card with closed source drivers because I want the best performance. Free and open source is nice, because I like how that works as an ecosystem but I'm never going to turn something I want down because its closed source. I considered dual booting for gaming but honestly enough works and as you say about rebooting just to open an office document, I don't feel like doing that just to play one game and then go back.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by Piskvorrr »

johnm1019 wrote: post #66
tambourine_man wrote: post #30

OMG, I can't believe we finally have a cross platform read/write disk format. At last. No more Fuse. I just need to know when it will be available for my Raspberry Pi.

Within the constraints of the technology (e.g. >2GB files) isn't FAT32 already this? I can plug it into my Apple, Windows, and Linux devices and it will just work.

Would have worked in 2000; nowadays, files >2 GB are an everyday occurence. (And don't even start with "but multiple-files archive"! This is not 1995, either.)

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by vetinari »

whereistimbo wrote: post #104
wcchandler wrote: post #74

I haven't spun up anything in Azure for quite a while. Does anybody know if their default images use anything exFAT formatted? Doesn't UEFI/EFI binaries usually sit on exFAT?

By standard VFAT is required, but on most Windows PC, the UEFI partition is in NTFS.

UEFI partition is FAT32 (or EFI-FAT; EFI has their own specification of FAT, frozen in time, with it's own identifier), if not for other reason, that most UEFI implementations would not be able to boot from NTFS.

Windows installer creates several partitions: System (ESP), MSR at the beginning of the disk and Recovery at the end of the disk.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by Piskvorrr »

swiley wrote: post #55
TwoNineA wrote: post #24

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They already extorted Android OEMs using exFat patents for billions, might as well try to look nice.

As much as I hate the patent bullying Android should have never used FAT for ANYTHING . The stupidity around that continues to make everyone's lives hard to this day.

Reading external flash media becomes hard if you don't have FAT support. But agreed, anything internal should have used a sane filesystem (I know that's hard to find. At least an open one: I see ext* used internally, but FAT32 for removable flash).

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Post by vetinari »

antisemiotic wrote: post #212
vetinari wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Redhat internally uses Thinkpads. Superfish was on Ideapads, and it was bundled Windows software. While both are by Lenovo, they are separate product lines.

"We are a totally trustworthy company, we screw only some of our customers."

In that segment? I would wonder something is wrong, if they didn't.

Ideapads are in market segment, that is extremely price sensitive, but not quality-sensitive. If the competition would cost 10 bucks less, it would be a huge win for them, so everyone tries to minimize price while preserving margins as much as possible.

In the end, these devices do ship with Windows, which has privacy problems anyway.

All this is moot, when you put Linux on it, which was the context we were talking about.

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