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Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by api »

markus_zhang wrote: post #103
dep_b wrote: post #81

As incomes rise in China people will demand other things from the government than food, shelter and a comfortable middle class life. Hong Kong was ahead of the rest of China since they have been living pretty liberal under UK rule and were more prosperous. Whatever they do in Hong Kong now will not stop from things happening all over China at a given point.

The history of HK is essentially the rule of the central government (UK or China) and the local overlords (The few families and their lackeys the triads). HK's prosperity was largely the result of Cold War and I'm afraid that is gone forever (unless of course the world goes on that route again).

Russia seems to be trying to build crazy dead hand nuclear cruise missiles and America is talking openly about militarizing space. I would say we are back on the entrance ramp to that route.

Maybe we both figure it's a way to get GDP up...

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

andrekandre wrote: post #179
loyukfai wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did protest start to become common in the states?

protests have been going on in the us for a long time, for example the labor movement in early 20th century but probably what you are referring to is post world war 2, which mostly started in the 1960s caused by the vietnam war and civil rights movements brought about by myriad causes (middle class affluence, mass communications, overextending of the govt overseas (and at home with the draft etc)) wikipedia, but it’s…

China had its own cultural revolution during the same time. It isn’t remembered fondly and is often used as an excuse to nip any protest in the bud.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by sbmthakur »

Jgrubb wrote: post #88
dep_b wrote: post #81

As incomes rise in China people will demand other things from the government than food, shelter and a comfortable middle class life. Hong Kong was ahead of the rest of China since they have been living pretty liberal under UK rule and were more prosperous. Whatever they do in Hong Kong now will not stop from things happening all over China at a given point.

Never underestimate the persuasive power of a regime murdering several thousand people in plain sight. I remember thinking the same thing about the Arab Spring in 2009.

Arab Spring started in late 2010, if I'm not wrong.

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Post by pcdoodle »

dragonsh wrote: post #165
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #130

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If what you say is true, about simmering discontent in HK due to conditions worse than in China. Why don't the HK people just move to China? Are there any rules against that? If not, why are they staying in HK?

Let me clear one thing people in Hong Kong are in China. Hong Kong is China with few exceptions of basic law. For your question moving between cities anywhere is hard. Moreover most population in Hong Kong is not that well educated to get better paying jobs as locals have better university education and good English knowledge in tier 1 cities. People live in Hong Kong as they don't have a choice or skills or resource…

This account seems like /r/sino is leaking.

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Post by dragonsh »

Zenbit_UX wrote: post #178
dragonsh wrote: post #165

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Let me clear one thing people in Hong Kong are in China. Hong Kong is China with few exceptions of basic law. For your question moving between cities anywhere is hard. Moreover most population in Hong Kong is not that well educated to get better paying jobs as locals have better university education and good English knowledge in tier 1 cities. People live in Hong Kong as they don't have a choice or skills or resource…

It's been almost 4 weeks of regular HN posting since you've made a comment that wasn't politically charged or that mentions China. What gives, this doesn't seem like a normal account.

The whole comment mentions China. I believe this is another one of those fake news campaign running across Hong Kong as mentioned in news.

HN is not fake news medium but is being made to generate fake news with conflated facts.

Been on HN since it's birth, not fake accounts like yours or people downvoting critical comments with facts. Hopefully some moderator on HN reviews these comments for facts not conflated facts.

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Post by jcranmer »

tombh wrote: post #102
wtdata wrote: post #85

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What does that got to do with anything? Why do people keep bringing centuries old examples of the shortcomings of western civilization, to apologize for the very present disregards against human rights in many non-western countries? Specially in a case where the legacy that is being put in question is exactly the culture of respect for human rights, civil liberties and democracy brought by an Western nation, that is…

My points about about native Americans and Australians could be construed as Whataboutism. But the Opium Wars aren't fodder in an equivalency argument, they are literally the very reason that HK even exists. Again, I must repeat, I do not at all condone China's lack of respect for human rights. All I am saying is that people need to know the actual context of the situation. If HK had come into being due to centuries…

China's policy towards Hong Kong since the 1997 handover was to integrate them into China by showing how wonderful China would be and essentially convince them that they were better off being part of the Chinese mainland rather than a British colony. By 2019, though, it's become patently clear that many, if not most, people in Hong Kong have come to believe that there integration into China would amount to some sort of Chinese colonization and would destroy their heritage.

You're still doing a wrong to the people of HK by forcing them into an arrangement that they don't want, so it is in no way justified by righting previous wrongs.

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Post by big_chungus »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #171
loyukfai wrote: post #169

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When did protest start to become common in the states?

Well in 1688 Quakers in America protested against slavery. 1773: Boston Tea Party. Temperance in the 1800's. Women's Vote in 1913. But they entered the public awareness in 1963 with the March on Washington, and haven't let up since.

It's a bit sad, but I believe "protests" have lost their meaning. All of what you described were meaningful events, but it these days some one is always protesting something. For instance, there are "women's marches" every year turning out tons of people in a society where equal rights are constitutionally enshrined. That probably doesn't merit such an event.

My concern is that if, Heaven forbid, there is ever again something worth protesting to that degree, no one will pay attention. Regular Americans, rather than being swayed, will look on and say, "Oh look honey, the kids are protesting again."

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Post by namelosw »

mymythisisthis wrote: post #95
dep_b wrote: post #81

As incomes rise in China people will demand other things from the government than food, shelter and a comfortable middle class life. Hong Kong was ahead of the rest of China since they have been living pretty liberal under UK rule and were more prosperous. Whatever they do in Hong Kong now will not stop from things happening all over China at a given point.

China is where the USA was in the 1950s; lots of industrial growth but lots of pollutions, a population happy about all the new wealth and not willing to protest.

China has a different culture. One reason that western people having protesting culture because of historically authoritarians are less powerful and less cruel than the eastern ones. Take the 'nine familial exterminations'[0] as an example.

It will most likely become a totally different cyberpunk society, with modern cities and massive surveillance coexist, instead of being another US.

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Post by loyukfai »

yyhhsj0521 wrote: post #185
hcheung wrote: post #31

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At least it is voted by the people no matter how imperfect it is. 1200 people is hardly a definition of "by people".

It's an electoral college system. By this logic, the US president is elected by only 538 "people".

AFAIK, those 538 people follow the decisions made earlier by the majority people.

Those 1200 definitely aren't.

Yes, the US system may not be perfect, but to put both on the same balance is such a misleading comparison.

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Post by woah »

netsharc wrote: post #129
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #92

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The countries you mentioned contribute to the EU budget, not Poland's economy.

Isn't that a matter of semantics.. if a Polish highway being built has a sign next to it that says it is 20% sponsored by the EU, doesn't that mean 1 out of every 5 Zloty the roadbuilder is earning comes from the EU?

And Alabama is heavily subsidized by New York City. So what?
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