It’s not just the speed. The costs are depressing as well. A 50Mbps connection (DSL, because cable is not even available in this area) at my current location costs €40/month. 40! It’s mind-blowing.
40 for 50 is not so bad. Some regional ISPs installing FTTB/FTTH offer 100mbps + voice for ~40€, which is a pretty good deal. Due to heavy oversubscribing cable is an inferior product in Germany (on weekends actual speeds drop to a fraction of the advertised line speed), and the biggest cable provider by far (Kabel Deutschland/Vodafone) has serious user support and service quality issues, not to mention they only off…
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is probably the only thing I feel great about in the Indian communication domain! I pay <$2 a month for about 1.5GB 4G every DAY! Speeds generally vary from crap to 11 Mbps
> I pay Of course. But, you have to take into account the Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) to get the true picture. According to OECD data, Germany's PPP is 0.76 while India's is 18.128 (2019). On an average, there's a factor of 23.85 until prices reach a parity between them. Therefore, just because you pay ~ 2$ a month doesn't make it cheap for India. https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-p...
(I'm referring to the comment which your comment was in response to, which I know you didn't post.)
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#213It’s not just the speed. The costs are depressing as well. A 50Mbps connection (DSL, because cable is not even available in this area) at my current location costs €40/month. 40! It’s mind-blowing.
Why do you consider that expensive? If it’s reliable, it sounds very reasonable to me. 1 dinner out.
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#214I recently moved to Germany. I used to work as a software dev in India before this. I was horrified to learn that (urban) India has way better internet than Germany. When it comes to mobile data it's even more depressing - back in India I used to get 1.5GB _daily_ 4G mobile data for 200 rupees (around 2.5 euros) a _month_. Even after adjusting for purchasing power, 2.5 euros a month for virtually unlimited mobile dat…
You're getting ripped off on O2 or Vodafone. Get an Ay Yildiz Prepaid card, 25 Euros for 12GB and there's an option to top up of you run out. It's an EPlus MVNO, speeds are pretty good on 3G (~8Mbps).
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quite a lot: In the 80ies in western germany the then responsible person at the ministry for postal issues (Postministerium) had family connections to a copper producer so everything was build with copper, besides at that time it was clear that there is no long-term future for the technology. After reunification most areas in eastern germany were rebuild using fibre-optic but the system was a technical failure, too e…
I have not had fun with DTAG - they seem to adamantly refuse to peer like most other networks and demand additional cost for bandwidth requested by their users..
Politics has no good ideas and mostly follows their wishes (as with subsidiaries for copper/fiber to the curb) probably because costs for fiber to the home would be way worse - so we'll stay at 16mbit (most villages) /50mbit (if you are lucky) /250mbit (innercity / dense population districts)
Cable market is owned mostly by Vodafone and a total mess due to being crazily overbooked in most cities...
But it's not so bad, for 40-50€ you can get 100/40mbit in a lot of places
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It's far cheaper than the US. I get 6MB/s downloads for 15€/month. For mobile, there's a chart making the rounds on Twitter, and it seems to me Germany is very much in line with other countries. Of course it's more expensive than it is in poorer countries in eastern Europe, as everything is.
For mobile I have unlimited 4G LTE for $55 dollars a month, including talk/text/etc. The 'real' cap is 60GB were they 'review your account for violations of terms and services'. Just did a speed test and it's 31Mbps download and 4Mbps upload, but it varies wildly by location. But it's consistently fast enough that I can share out over Wifi from my cell phone so I can do my work and while my girlfriend watches youtube…
Stretches of road in Utah would like to have a word with you. Specifically I-70.
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#217To fix this, the country needs lots of investments. E.g. they lack fiber optic cables in most of the country because the state monopolist pretending to be an actual company simply chose not to invest in this and the German government was completely OK with this for decades. This probably is part of the reason why 4G sucks here because there simply is nothing decent to connect the base stations to in most of the country. Fixing this will take ages and there are very little signs of this actually happening. E.g. most of Berlin has no access to fiber optic cable even though most of former East Berlin has gone through 25 years plus of heavy construction, renovation, etc. Apparently it never occurred to anyone here that stuffing some fiber optic cable in the ground would have been a clever idea. This is a key difference with e.g. the Netherlands where they've been putting cables in the ground for decades whenever there was any opportunity to do so. As a consequence, you can get fiber to your home in most places and reliably fast 4G in most of the country. This is the case across most of Europe with the exception of Germany.
The German government meanwhile is pretty hopeless. They have a "digitization" minister even. No idea what that means but it does not seem to yield more than weird photo opportunities for politicians without any apparent clue babbling about digitization (which is an actual word they keep on using with a straight face as if it means something). Also this minister is apparently not actually responsible for straightening out the dysfunctional mess that is the Deutsche Telekom, O2, and Vodafone kartel. That apparently is the responsibility for the traffic minister: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-aims-for-faster-internet-digit....
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's far cheaper than the US. I get 6MB/s downloads for 15€/month. For mobile, there's a chart making the rounds on Twitter, and it seems to me Germany is very much in line with other countries. Of course it's more expensive than it is in poorer countries in eastern Europe, as everything is.
I don't think the US is the country to compare against in this case.
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#219I recently did vacation at the North Sea (land side, not the islands). It was heartbreaking. In many areas the iPhone showed "No Service", in most areas we had "Edge" connection with virtually no data throughput. Even when it showed "3G" I was mostly unable to use WhatsApp. And this is a region where people live! And let's not talk about the landline broadband.... our rented appartment had a meager 1MBit download spe…
The crazy thing I think is how expensive internet is, in whatever form, in Germany compared to the rest of Europe while simultaneously being so terrible.
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I would not discount government 'incentives' to BT. Hundreds of millions have come the public purse for contracts that were supposedly put up for public tender. BT got about 95% of them. edit: there are other issues in the UK, like fibre tax, that makes the situation even more difficult for competition.
None of the other providers wanted to serve low value customers is the blunt reason.