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Post by wonton2 »

neolefty wrote: post #196
mistermann wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do not forget that they are the same as you. How can you still hold this belief after reading articles like this? > It sounds obvious but I think most people don’t realize how similar we all are. That's more sensible. Indeed, if any person from country was raised in country , they are going to be generally like others born in country , but only if they were raised there . This is what constitutes culture , and all…

> How can you still hold this belief after reading articles like this? I'll push back on this. Spending time in China helped me look at myself and break down what was universally human and what was learned culture. For example, the story about the missionary giving a talk at the local English Corner about "the meaning of life" > He said he knew what people would say having lived in China for sometime but even so was…

Thank you, this is exactly my thoughts also. The one you replied to was the kind of person my post was meant for.

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Post by wonton2 »

mistermann wrote: post #193
wonton2 wrote: post #145

I agree to most of the things the author said (except for America being the center of the world and a moral lighthouse for everyone of course). But what I think will get overlooked by most people is the beginning where he notes that the chinese he has met in his daily life are very nice people. Do not forget that they are the same as you. It sounds obvious but I think most people don’t realize how similar we all are.…

> Do not forget that they are the same as you. How can you still hold this belief after reading articles like this? > It sounds obvious but I think most people don’t realize how similar we all are. That's more sensible. Indeed, if any person from country was raised in country , they are going to be generally like others born in country , but only if they were raised there . This is what constitutes culture , and all…

> How can you still hold this belief after reading articles like this?

I think neolefty answered it very well. I guess i forgot to mention i also have lived in china and have a chinese wife, wich has taught me the same. Reading articles and watching the news teaches you very little about humans compared to actually talking to them, in my opinion.

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Post by mistermann »

wonton2 wrote: post #211
neolefty wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can you still hold this belief after reading articles like this? I'll push back on this. Spending time in China helped me look at myself and break down what was universally human and what was learned culture. For example, the story about the missionary giving a talk at the local English Corner about "the meaning of life" > He said he knew what people would say having lived in China for sometime but even so was…

Thank you, this is exactly my thoughts also. The one you replied to was the kind of person my post was meant for.

> The one you replied to was the kind of person my post was meant for.

Two questions:

1. What kind of person am I?

2. How do you know this?

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Post by mistermann »

neolefty wrote: post #196
mistermann wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do not forget that they are the same as you. How can you still hold this belief after reading articles like this? > It sounds obvious but I think most people don’t realize how similar we all are. That's more sensible. Indeed, if any person from country was raised in country , they are going to be generally like others born in country , but only if they were raised there . This is what constitutes culture , and all…

> How can you still hold this belief after reading articles like this? I'll push back on this. Spending time in China helped me look at myself and break down what was universally human and what was learned culture. For example, the story about the missionary giving a talk at the local English Corner about "the meaning of life" > He said he knew what people would say having lived in China for sometime but even so was…

> I'll push back on this. Spending time in China helped me look at myself and break down what was universally human and what was learned culture.

It seems like you've agreed with me, not pushed back.

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Post by singularity2001 »

throwaway37585 wrote: post #213
singularity2001 wrote: post #209

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only in specific [surveillance] issues

You think Beijing and Washington are equal in terms of surveillance?

I'd estimate that the US has more data on you but china has more live surveillance.

Re: I’m leaving China

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Post by ausjke »

gpm wrote: post #32
ausjke wrote: post #19

can someone please summarize? a bit too long to read at the moment

The honest answer is no. It's information dense already. It also includes lots of the authors personal opinions that I don't want to misstate.

basically he tried to do free speech in a country where free speech is strictly forbidden, which led to all these, yes he had no choice but to leave.

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

ebalit wrote: post #114
nambit wrote: post #94

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I've been to france and restaurants there and trust me, other than the lack of free water, everything is better. The food is better, you order from the menu and it comes out and turns out you don't have to pay the waiter's wage on top of that! It also results in waiters not being overly/fake friendly and constantly checking on you which I much prefer. There is no change in the amount of time between your order and th…

French restaurants serve free water if you ask "une carafe d'eau". They will bring tap water instead of a bottle of mineral water. According to the law, prices should include the service, tap water, bread and other "basics": https://www.economie.gouv.fr/dgccrf/Publications/Vie-pratiqu...

Also tap water in France is classified as "food" and therefore goes through extensive checks and controls. It is always safe to drink tap water in France and is encouraged.

You can gind reports on water quality in all cities and there was an article in 2017 (in 30 millions de consommateurs?) available online where you could check any city.

Re: I’m leaving China

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

jancsika wrote: post #130
pascalxus wrote: post #71

Being in other countries like China and France really makes me appreciate how world class the customer service is in America. Here in the US, you can tell a waiter that your not happy with a dish and they'll immediately replace it with whatever you want. You can make substitutions, you can alter the way it's cooked (within reason), etc, and they still greet you with a smile and deliver excellent service. There are ma…

American service must be that way because the variance in the behavior of the customers is so wide. How many French customers ask for gluten free water with a straight face? How many French customers request a cube of ice to plunk in their merlot? How many French kitchens stockpile frozen nugget-shaped food items because families expect them to tailor to the needs of their screaming toddlers? An American server will…

I see a lot of points add about emotional support animals and the stories around that (in planes, restaurants, etc.).

I need to read about these more as they are inexistant in France. Maybe this is a thing, I just never seen or heard anyone mentioning it.

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