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Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by josteink »

powertower wrote: post #196
lsmarigo wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you guys took major issue with the Cloudlfare takedown of DailyStormer but try to look at the big picture. Mankind has never had a tool as powerful as the internet. The advent of the printing press played a key role in the lead up to the Salem Witch Trials. How big a role the internet played in the mess we find ourselves in today as a country, that's up to future historians to argue, but make no mistake the im…

> Mankind has never had a tool as powerful as the internet. The advent of the printing press played a key role in the lead up to the Salem Witch Trials. Name one person harmed by the site? If you have ever seen a page of DailyStormer, you'd either laugh or go away. No one has ever killed anyone after reading a few paragraphs on that site. Putting in the argument of "Is loss of human life an acceptable cost for free s…

But clearly when a huge crowd of Antifas are overwhelming and attacking a relative small crowd of stupid nazis, with bats, and one guy try to make it out of there before his car is smashed to bits (with the obvious tragic accident waiting to happen)...

Clearly it’s the nazis who are out of control and we need to take down their websites. Freedom of speech be damned!

Seriously. This was a harmless, stupid, non-violent demo for nazis to out themselves in, before the antifa turned up and got people killed.

Are their websites being taken down? No? How come?

Disclaimer: think nazis are about as stupid as it gets.

Edit: not exactly expecting upvotes for this post, but this thread clearly needs some balance.

These are the guys who rushed a non-violent demo. These are the people you are defending: https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/90191505521...

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by josteink »

hbosch wrote: post #141
OzzyB wrote: post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

Content in "bad taste" doesn't kill people. Organized Neo-nazis do.

The nazi demo where people got killed would have been a non-violent event where stupid nazis outed themselves peacefully if the antifa hadn’t showed up, outnumbered them, and attacked the nazis, armed with bats and other weapons.

The nazis are shit too, no doubt, but it’s hard not to blame the antifa for the ultimate outcome.

Also worth remembering: the nazis were using their legal right to free speech in a legal demonstration. The antifas were illegally and violently obstructing it.

Don’t be too quick to pick sides.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by vim_wannabe »

shakkhar wrote: post #209
vim_wannabe wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latter reason I get, but looking at video-tag compatibility on https://caniuse.com/#feat=video shouldn't just offering h264 as the baseline and the higher resolution formats in source-tags ( https://caniuse.com/#search=source ) cover almost any browser?

Yes but that is just the baseline. You want HEVC / VP9 for browsers which can play that, you want 5.1 audio for home theaters, you want adaptive streaming when the support is available, and so on. You don't want just the minimum for _all_ of your clients. You want some code that tailors the experience based on client capability. That's what the JS player handles.

Adaptive streaming sure, but can you not handle the different audio combinations using source-tags? And HEVC/VP9 with h264 fallback I would imagine is the primary use case they (WHATWG?) were thinking of supporting when creating the source tag.

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Post by movedx »

a_t48 wrote: post #168
pen2l wrote: post #161

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Good points, I want to add: We just witnessed something very significant, when Russia interfered. They had an express goal and they carried it out with technologies we know. A medium that is absolutely free of censorship is not in your best interest, because it can and will be used to compromise you. The solutions are difficult, but what is clear (especially to folks who have had to moderate even a small channel or f…

I'm facing this situation right now. I've peeked in the discord channel of the ones who want to post edgy memes on our forums and they see themselves as martyrs for getting banned or quitting the forums.

It sounds like you're just dealing with teens who want to be edgy.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by oblio »

KGIII wrote: post #89
chii wrote: post #82

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Whether some info is in video format is irrelevant. The fact is, the only platform for video, right now, which can work is youtube. If you host your own video instead, it both has a high cost, and low rate of returns. If cloudflare can make hosting your own video more cost effective, it is a plus for the internet. I don't want youtube to be so dominant that they can start doing things like censoring and curating.

My comment was about them asserting there should be 100x the video content. Why should there be? It's a pretty horrible way to share information, in all but a few situations.

You're assuming that video is used primarily to share information.

How Edisonian of you: http://ethw.org/Phonograph (TL;DR: Edison meant it for business but it boomed for entertainment).

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by pls2halp »

movedx wrote: post #214
a_t48 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm facing this situation right now. I've peeked in the discord channel of the ones who want to post edgy memes on our forums and they see themselves as martyrs for getting banned or quitting the forums.

It sounds like you're just dealing with teens who want to be edgy.

That’s what The Daily Stormer was. Stormfront is still up.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by jamespo »

OzzyB wrote: post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

Ah yes Daily Stormer, just a website with a "conservative bent"

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by edmccard »

OzzyB wrote: post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

>with a conservative bent ... what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down

>are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

I can remember when the conservative position was to support freedom of association, and to oppose regulating private businesses as utilities.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by dragonwriter »

edmccard wrote: post #219
OzzyB wrote: post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

>with a conservative bent ... what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down >are they willing to abide by their role as utility? I can remember when the conservative position was to support freedom of association, and to oppose regulating private businesses as utilities.

> I can remember when the conservative position was to support freedom of association, and to oppose regulating private businesses as utilities.

I can remember that as recently as this year, in the debate over net neutrality.

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