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$4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Kinda off-topic: I own a Renault Zoe, which is an EV hatchback that you can get second-hand for about £4k, and also a Tesla Model X 90D. People get far too excited by Tesla's brand, when there are really competitive EVs out there. Feel free to AMA about EVs or how mine compare.

Whats the khw on the zoe?

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Kinda off-topic: I own a Renault Zoe, which is an EV hatchback that you can get second-hand for about £4k, and also a Tesla Model X 90D. People get far too excited by Tesla's brand, when there are really competitive EVs out there. Feel free to AMA about EVs or how mine compare.

How is the charging time and mileage on Zoe vs. Model X?

The Zoes have either 22kWh or 41kWh battery packs (for respectively 150 and 250 miles NDEC, so an effective ~115 and 190 miles). Xs have 90kWh battery packs.

As with Teslas, charging time depends on the charger's powerand whether you want 80% or 100%.

Zoes support chargers up to 43kW and home chargers up to 22kW ("Wallbox"), Tesla's superchargers are 120kW and home chargers are up to 19.2kW (though IIRC that requires the $k High Amperage Charger Upgrade)

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

#213

Kinda off-topic: I own a Renault Zoe, which is an EV hatchback that you can get second-hand for about £4k, and also a Tesla Model X 90D. People get far too excited by Tesla's brand, when there are really competitive EVs out there. Feel free to AMA about EVs or how mine compare.

Whats the khw on the zoe?

Do you mean kWh, the battery's capacity?

Either 22 or 41.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Kinda off-topic: I own a Renault Zoe, which is an EV hatchback that you can get second-hand for about £4k, and also a Tesla Model X 90D. People get far too excited by Tesla's brand, when there are really competitive EVs out there. Feel free to AMA about EVs or how mine compare.

Well, that's because Tesla was they one who started actively pushing world in this direction. You can buy this Renault Zoe now probably in large part because of Tesla. Also, Tesla is one of the rare electric cars that looks good, it seems other manufacturers are trying visually separate hybrid/electric from regular cars, and don't give them same design.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Kinda off-topic: I own a Renault Zoe, which is an EV hatchback that you can get second-hand for about £4k, and also a Tesla Model X 90D. People get far too excited by Tesla's brand, when there are really competitive EVs out there. Feel free to AMA about EVs or how mine compare.

At that price I'm pretty sure the battery is not sold with it, which means you need to pay a rent subscription for it. In France this rent monthly cost for a ZOE battery is about 50 euros a month

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fatalities per mile is a tricky metric for comparing across modes, though. At least in the US, people getting cars often comes with adopting a car-centric lifestyle: you move to the suburbs, your commute and trips to the grocery store get significantly longer, etc. This is why fatalities per mile are higher on a bike, but fatalities per trip are actually slightly lower than a car: people with cars take longer trips.

> This is why fatalities per mile are higher on a bike, but fatalities per trip are actually slightly lower than a car: people with cars take longer trips. Maybe I'm just dense but how does that invalidate parent's point? Based on what you are saying (difference in trip length), it appears that fatalities per mile actually does a better job (than fatalities per trip) at representing the relative safety of different c…

The question most people care about is something like "would buying a car make me more or less likely to die". If buying a car means you're safer per-mile but leads you to take longer trips, then not buying a car is safer.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a 2-stroke model scooter being sold new in India? Everything I can find currently being sold is 4-stroke. In fact AFAICT 2-strokes are illegal to sell new in India. (Personally I'd rather ride a scooter than drive a tiny car in a dense urban area, because my awareness is much higher on a scooter, and also I've ridden scooters around London for a decade.)

TIL. My level of knowledge apparently is at 2014 (e.g. http://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/twostroke-vehicles-are-th... ). The problem is, even if no new ones are sold, there will be a mass of old 2-stroke scooters being used/sold until they break...

Sure, but comparing a newly-released car to 3+-year-old scooters seems likely to be misleading.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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One of the reasons why the Renault Kwid is $4000 is because, well, it uses cheap materials, and with that comes a very bad safety rating. This is enabled by India's nearly non-existent car safety regulations. Everything has a "price".

Unfortunately this is no different to any other car sold at the same price point in India. There isn't anything special about this price (other than clickbait for Westerners) - other cars like the Suzuki Alto which also don't come with airbags as standard cost the same.

The disruption of the Model 3 (or any Tesla car so far) has never been about being cheap, but just more appealing than the crappy electric cars from before while being, on average, marginally cheaper when you consider the costs of fuel+maintenance. For this only reason the entire premise of this article is already crap. This whole article sounds a lot like a Koch Bros funded piece (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/koch-electric-vehicles_u...).

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

#220

Kinda off-topic: I own a Renault Zoe, which is an EV hatchback that you can get second-hand for about £4k, and also a Tesla Model X 90D. People get far too excited by Tesla's brand, when there are really competitive EVs out there. Feel free to AMA about EVs or how mine compare.

Well, that's because Tesla was they one who started actively pushing world in this direction. You can buy this Renault Zoe now probably in large part because of Tesla. Also, Tesla is one of the rare electric cars that looks good, it seems other manufacturers are trying visually separate hybrid/electric from regular cars, and don't give them same design.

I think that's the opposite, Renault was making consumer market electric cars before Tesla (and more accessible as well).
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