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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by freehunter »

pyrale wrote: post #86
potatosoup wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a long running joke on the sub after being constantly accused of being bots (and probably bots created by Russian hackers closely working with Trump.)

Looks like a strawman used to dismiss (legitimate or not) concern from other users.

It's really, really not. Accusations of Russian influence on Trump's campaign are common to the point of almost being a meme. So /r/the_donald turned it into one. Not much different than the "steel beams" meme.

This coming from a person who filters out /r/the_donald so I don't have to see it.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by akkartik »

vostok wrote: post #13
mrweasel wrote: post #3

I get their point, but I also think that a large part of the reason that people are using the Golang subreddit is Google Groups. If the Go team could just abandon Google Groups as the main forum for discussing Go, then just maybe there wouldn't be a need for the subreddit. I know that some people like Google Groups, but there's at least an equally large group that absolutely hate it. Personally I find it to be such a…

I'm not too up to date on this. What is your preferred alternative to Google Groups? Mailman?

https://lobste.rs/about, particularly with its mailing list mode.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by freehunter »

nicpottier wrote: post #15
shurcooL wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Its user experience is straight from the 90s. Can't edit your messages to fix typos, can't do pleasant and friendly formatting with preview, and don't even get me started on controls over notifications.

It's a mailing list.. you want it to be a forum, but that's not the point or what it is meant to be. Some of us prefer mailing lists and interacting over email in our preferred client over having to go to various websites and deal with their varying user interfaces.

And for people who don't like mailing lists, /r/golang exists. Not sure why we can't have both.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Buge »

BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

He edited comments invisibly (not showing the usual edit mark), replacing the content with content against the rules of the subreddit. Thus when subreddit mods saw content that was against the rules, they banned the victims' accounts.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by qb45 »

freehunter wrote: post #193
eterm wrote: post #190

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I agree, and also yes he admitted it, but isn't that worse? There weren't any safeguards or anything to catch it on the reddit organisation side. It was only users noticing forcing an admission that means it's even a matter of record.

What kind of safeguards could be put in place that couldn't be disabled or overridden by the admins?

No UI for traceless edits and DB password split in three parts like nuclear launch codes. Then the CEO couldn't do it alone and he would have some time to think things through before others agree to participate in such fishy business, if they do at all.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by stcredzero »

blitzd wrote: post #96
problems wrote: post #53

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Again "stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories" this is not. An admin abused their power. It's ripe for abuse and they've proven they're willing to abuse it and not mature enough to treat that power respectfully. I have a hard time respecting a company with someone like that as CEO. No conspiracy, no politics, just what happened.

I would argue that a moderator shutting down a community of 25,000 individuals because of their own personal opinions is just as much if not the greater abuse of power.

This is emblematic of what's wrong with so many subreddits and so much of the social web that comes in the form of "forums" -- it seems like we have entire generations of users who have associated the totalitarian nature of forums with things being "advanced" on the internet.

Social media isn't mostly about free thought, free speech, and free inquiry anymore. Nowadays, it's mostly about the rapid dissemination of conformity. Woe betide you if you actually have a nuanced opinion that doesn't fit neatly with either side of an issue. Your fellow posters/commenters will reject their pattern-match and call you a liar and 5th columnist for the other side.

Technology came and killed the impulse towards freedom. It taught people through repeated iteration that conformity to the mob was the highest good. It taught smart people that wrangling their way into positions of centralized power to exercise authoritarian rule was the insider move. It taught everyone that suppression of anything that you didn't like was the winning move. It was called the internet.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by ben_jones »

johnnydoebk wrote: post #200
bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

I'd make the subreddit unofficial, too but for other reasons. It is a very unwelcoming place. I'm not the first one who's saying this, but it's really a shame how toxic the /r/golang is.

Is it? There is some hivemind like the rest of the internet, and tech discussion in general (including here), but the value of the people who frequent the sub should definitely override that. It's still much better then stackoverflow etc.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by stcredzero »

> I would argue that a moderator shutting down a community of 25,000 individuals because of their own personal opinions is just as much if not the greater abuse of power. (blitzd)

This is emblematic of what's wrong with so many subreddits and so much of the social web that comes in the form of "forums" -- it seems like we have entire generations of users who have associated the totalitarian nature of forums with things being "advanced" on the internet.

Social media isn't mostly about free thought, free speech, and free inquiry anymore. Nowadays, it's mostly about the rapid dissemination of conformity. Woe betide you if you actually have a nuanced opinion that doesn't fit neatly with either side of an issue. Your fellow posters/commenters will reject their pattern-match and call you a liar and 5th columnist for the other side.

Technology came and killed the impulse towards freedom. It taught people through repeated iteration that conformity to the mob was the highest good. It taught smart people that wrangling their way into positions of centralized power to exercise authoritarian rule was the insider move. It taught everyone that suppression of anything that you didn't like was the winning move. It was called the internet.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by SomeStupidPoint »

philovivero wrote: post #165
ryanlol wrote: post #104

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>The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. Only incident we know of. It's overwhelmingly likely that they both had tools built for this and had used them before. And admitted he edited them ? Yeah, after he was called out in front of the entire world. >The sensible amongst us should be above childish drama like this. Not sure if trying to rationalise massive…

Who's down-voting this comment? What's controversial in here? If anything, this comment seems way more even-handed than it should be. Are we down-voting for showing self-restraint now?

I try not to worry about HN downvotes on comments less than 12 hours old. (Or really downvotes in general.)

Lots of my comments go several points negative only to be dug back out hours later as the more sporadic, calmer crowd filters through and quietly votes.

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