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Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control

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Re: Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control

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post #64

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Yeah, this is the most "pot calling the kettle black" article I've seen all month. Let's see: * no opt-out for Australis * removal of tabs on bottom * forced signed extensions * removing option to not retain download history (unless you give up browsing history too) * bundling of Hello * bundling of Pocket (requires a lot of effort to disable) * bundling of DRM web extensions * bundling ads out of the box (can be dis…

I think reasonable criticisms were made regarding some of those, like Pocket. However, Australis for example was a large redesign of the UI. I'm not sure how you can support an opt-out, as that would mean supporting two codebases - two different and separate UIs, at once. Regarding bundling of DRM, it isn't bundled, but it is downloaded on demand. This is a sad thing even so, but Google, Microsoft and Netflix just le…

For some reason, everybody feels like they should have a say in the direction of large Free SW projects, even if they have never contributed.

Some criticisms of Mozilla are fair (even if blown out of proportion, like the Pocket issue), but one can not expect a project to make development even more complex by adding a "revert it because this one guy doesn't like it" button for each change or feature.

Re: Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control

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post #141

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So what? That doesn't mean they are obliged to comply with whatever you think is "the right thing"®. Yes they are. Those who own one or another monopoly-type chokepoints are required to do the right thing in the sense of not abusing their monopolies. ISP are required to connect you to the real internet rather than a walled-garden simulation, Airline are required to not to hold their passengers ransom for more at inte…

Yes, and is Apple required to open their platform to porn apps ? This is USA where private property rights are supposedly important despite government's attempts in other direction.

Apple controls a negligible portion of the desktop market. Microsoft absolutely dominates. Anti-trust is about protecting the free market from natural monopolies, and Apple is by no means a monopoly. A walled garden? Absolutely. But not a monopoly.

Re: Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control

#203
post #74

I am writing to you about a very disturbing aspect of Firefox 38.0.5. Specifically, that the update experience appears to have been designed to throw away the choice your customers have made about the Internet experience they want, and replace it with the Internet experience Mozilla wants them to have. When we first saw the Firefox upgrade experience that strips users of their choice by effectively overriding existin…

I don't care about Mozilla or Firefox. I used to, but not anymore. Two reasons why. First, copying Chrome's UI. Second, forcing Brendan Eich out. These days Mozilla comes across as a bunch of whiners and activists rather than a technology company. Maybe Rust will be successful but I don't want to be part of an ecosystem where straight talking and free thought is banned. Do you want to submit a pull request and be tol…

This is actually the common thing in tech now, you need to step carefully on eggshells everywhere to avoid someone being butthurt.

I miss the Internet around year 2000.

Re: Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control

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>On this tangent about Dart, I'm happy that Chrome people prevailed I'm not. We are sentenced for another 20+ yrs for lang with broken 'this' pointer

Just because you don't understand the JavaScript this, doesn't mean it's broken. It behaves exactly the same way every time you use it... It refers to the object that called the function (unless, of course you or someone else overrode it).

just because I say 'this' is broken, it doesn't mean I don't understand how it works.

'this' in JS is misleading and confusing - IMHO it's broken design

Re: Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control

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No, Google Chrome people rebelled against the overhead of a cross-language-engine garbage cycle collector. Are you aware of the technical details? Before this, before Blink forked WebKit, Apple rejected naive DartVM pre-integration changes for the same reason: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-December/... Whining for the poor Google-Goliath, blaming little Mozilla-David, is rich. No comment on the P…

>On this tangent about Dart, I'm happy that Chrome people prevailed I'm not. We are sentenced for another 20+ yrs for lang with broken 'this' pointer

You might be interested in ES6’s arrow functions, which change the behaviour of this to something you might approve of (you didn’t specify how you thought it was broken):

http://tc39wiki.calculist.org/es6/arrow-functions/

Re: Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control

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I think reasonable criticisms were made regarding some of those, like Pocket. However, Australis for example was a large redesign of the UI. I'm not sure how you can support an opt-out, as that would mean supporting two codebases - two different and separate UIs, at once. Regarding bundling of DRM, it isn't bundled, but it is downloaded on demand. This is a sad thing even so, but Google, Microsoft and Netflix just le…

For some reason, everybody feels like they should have a say in the direction of large Free SW projects, even if they have never contributed. Some criticisms of Mozilla are fair (even if blown out of proportion, like the Pocket issue), but one can not expect a project to make development even more complex by adding a "revert it because this one guy doesn't like it" button for each change or feature.

Technically, everyone has a say in the direction of a large, free software project. It's called a fork.

Re: Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control

#208
post #129

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Is it harder to move to a different browser in Windows 10? I feel like you keep emphasizing how easy it is to change your browser and yet are still registering a complaint. I'm not sure what you are complaining about.

I think it is much more difficult to switch to a different default browser in Windows 10. With Chrome at least, you used be be able to set it to your default browser when is asked on first launch, with only a click or two. Now that API is deprecated and removed, and users have to click 11 times through the settings to set the default browser. Much worse. And this is after it sneakily sets Edge as the default browser…

This is such bs, first time I opened Chrome in Windows 10 after upgrading it asked to set chrome as the default browser.

Re: Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control

#209

TL;DR Mozilla is complaining because MS is changing default browser to EDGE

No, that's not what they're complaining about. For people on computers that have had the default actively and specifically changed to some other browser, e.g. Lynx (for a blind person maybe), upgrading that computer to Windows 10 will reset it back to a Microsoft browser, with no regard for your existing choices.

Re: Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control

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>On this tangent about Dart, I'm happy that Chrome people prevailed I'm not. We are sentenced for another 20+ yrs for lang with broken 'this' pointer

You might be interested in ES6’s arrow functions, which change the behaviour of this to something you might approve of (you didn’t specify how you thought it was broken): http://tc39wiki.calculist.org/es6/arrow-functions/

yea there are many different tactics to tackle this issue - still default behaviour is confusing at best - bad design at worst.
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