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She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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The blame rests on her. She was rich, able to afford college education and unnecessarily painting the poor equal-opportunity lacking folks on street as thieves. Instead of tweeting against the cartels she should have tried to build a bridge to their hearts, reach to the root cause of crime and should acted like a responsible citizen. She instead chose adventurism. US is doing a great service to these people by contin…

According to the article, she's dead.

The body is not found.

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post #122

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It seems that you have reached the heart of the problem. Most of us are miles away from that sort of threat. When the word is out that people are out there looking to murder you, it is immensely stressful. You cant eat or sleep. If I was in her place I would have fled to a different city taking a few days off from work or simply given up the activism to reduce it to a level where the mob would not have bothered that…

A few days, and then what? Her job is at home, and so is the mob. Most people can't just hop across a border and start a new life on a whim.

I once picked up fight with a local goon who then threatened to take revenge (which probably meant some thrashing). I was scared, I moved to a different city for a month and things cooled down after that.

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Many people here are thinking of this as a technical problem than a social one. I know we are HNers, but we do think of stuff in different perspectives too, don't we? I mean technology is not the farthest we can look.

I'm a tech, I can suggest tech solutions. I have no idea how to deal with cartels.

Use batman?

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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post #165
post #157

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Are you sure you're up to date on that? Captcha for new account creation on HN is either mostly turned off or completely so, and last I tested it, Google had made RECAPTCHA doable by humans again. HN's restrictions on Tor IPs are only for brand new accounts. That's because of past abuses by trolls. Even then, we routinely override the restriction for accounts that are obviously legit. Anyone who sees a case of this (…

It's happened while I've been logged in too. However, I've also taken other measures to randomize user agent, screen size, etc and to set referrer to the site's root (and disable Google Analytics). I thought I tested it without those extra mods but I'll double check and reply to my comment when I can confirm. Aside from HN however, I am positive that Cloudflare completely blocks vanilla Tor browsers from many of thei…

Sounds good. But please email hn@ycombinator.com as well if you have findings you want to make sure we see. Replying in a comment is fine, of course; it's just hit-and-miss as far as bringing something to our attention goes.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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When can we stop the madness and regulate drugs rather than criminalizing them? Didn't we learn anything from prohibition?? In a time when so many people are aware of the limitations of government why do so many people think that we're going to resolve the drug problems with more government in the form courts and prisons. We're just creating a market opportunity for the cartels by inflating prices and turning their c…

Are you suggesting that we legalise everything that is currently illegal, so that we would have no need to prohibit anything and turn nobody into criminals? We could very well apply this logic to say, murder. Why not let us legalise murder, set up appropriate channels for people to hire hitmen to kill each other, so that the underground killers would not have any more customers and then they will gradually die out?

I'm sorry if the original comment came off as inflammatory.

What I'm trying to say is that when there are enough people using illegal drugs it is very difficult to use prisons and courts to get them to stop. Much like you can dam up a river but then the water flows around into other undesirable places. As with prohibition it seems a much more practical strategy to regulate the industry, if effect rerouting the river to where it does the least harm. Use regulation to make drugs safer and to minimize the harm to our communities when the the $100 billion dollars spent every year ends up in criminal hands.

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post #115

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So we're shutting down Starbucks, Coca-Cola, Altria, and Anheuser Busch? It seems as a society we have other thoughts on what the sensible thing to do with drugs is, namely, let users of it use it as long as they don't harm others. Using drugs and being high in public is as common as coffee on the morning commute, to paraphrase Coca-Cola, getting high in public is the real thing.

> It seems as a society we have other thoughts on what the sensible thing to do with drugs is, namely, let users of it use it as long as they don't harm others. Drug users do harm others. People crash their vehicles into pedestrians or put psychoactive or harmful substances into the air without the consent of others or commit robbery for money to buy drugs. Alcohol and cigarettes belong in exactly the same category.…

> Alcohol and cigarettes belong in exactly the same category.

I hear Iran and Saudi Arabia are lovely this time of year.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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post #206

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> It seems as a society we have other thoughts on what the sensible thing to do with drugs is, namely, let users of it use it as long as they don't harm others. Drug users do harm others. People crash their vehicles into pedestrians or put psychoactive or harmful substances into the air without the consent of others or commit robbery for money to buy drugs. Alcohol and cigarettes belong in exactly the same category.…

> Alcohol and cigarettes belong in exactly the same category. I hear Iran and Saudi Arabia are lovely this time of year.

> I hear Iran and Saudi Arabia are lovely this time of year.

I hear Sealand is cold and lonely year round.

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post #198

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It's like asking people to stop voting for the least-awful of the two candidates showcased on the teevee. Yes, they should just stop for their own good and for the public good, but it's not going to happen.

I'm not expecting them to stop, I'm saying they can't simply be absolved of responsibility if you're going to blame the law as well.

I think you're making a category error. What exactly are you saying the users are responsible for in the behavior of the cartels?

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post #167

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In the epilogue one of his books (maybe "the drowned and the saved"?), Auschwitz survivor Primo Levi describes giving a talk to a group of schoolchildren. One boy asked him to describe the layout of the camp, and then described how he would have escaped if he had been in Auschwitz. Nothing Primo Levi could say would convince the boy that escape was impossible. Now I'm not saying that it was impossible for this citize…

Escape wasn't impossible, many people did escape from Auschwitz.

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Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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post #165
post #157

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Are you sure you're up to date on that? Captcha for new account creation on HN is either mostly turned off or completely so, and last I tested it, Google had made RECAPTCHA doable by humans again. HN's restrictions on Tor IPs are only for brand new accounts. That's because of past abuses by trolls. Even then, we routinely override the restriction for accounts that are obviously legit. Anyone who sees a case of this (…

It's happened while I've been logged in too. However, I've also taken other measures to randomize user agent, screen size, etc and to set referrer to the site's root (and disable Google Analytics). I thought I tested it without those extra mods but I'll double check and reply to my comment when I can confirm. Aside from HN however, I am positive that Cloudflare completely blocks vanilla Tor browsers from many of thei…

Tor works OK on HN. It was one of the other unique browser settings I had that was triggering captcha.
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