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Re: I am a successful software dev but I have a serious drinking problem

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>Alcohol withdrawal can kill late stage addicts This is correct and very very important. Your brain is physically changed. Alcohol's primary effect is the increase in stimulation of the GABAA receptor, promoting central nervous system depression. With repeated heavy consumption of alcohol, these receptors are desensitized and reduced in number, resulting in tolerance and physical dependence. When alcohol consumption…

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> Atheism and other devout believers in a purely physical, meaningless and non-spiritual reality are pretty susceptible to things like alcoholism and born-again Christianty.

[citation needed]

Here's some nonsense I just made up:

"Christians and other devout believers in a purely spiritual reality are pretty susceptible to things like alcoholism and becoming atheists."

See how easy it is!

>I bet half of these atheist middle class kids running amock on Reddit are married and church-going by the time they hit 40. As soon as their own mortality starts catching up with them they'll have questions that image memes and front-end frameworks just won't answer.

Oh cute, the old "there are no atheist in foxholes" argument. Oh and it's gotta be church-going, you know Christan. My husband was shot at plus watched two friends die in Iraq and still remains an atheist.

>If you're in tech and you're feeling the lonely, empty void, well, for fucks sake, that's what the entire industry is banking on the future being like.

Um, no.

>AA is very effective.

[citation needed]

Can it work for some people? Yes. Is it effective as a whole for everyone? No. Is it better than other treatments? Probably not.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7488106

>People need spiritual lives

No, some people need a spiritual life, not all people. I certainly don't.

The rest of your comment didn't make any sense to me.

Re: I am a successful software dev but I have a serious drinking problem

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As another poster mentioned, addiction is about getting away from some kind of unbearable inner pain. I'll share mine, what I did to get deaden it, and how I finally healed it. I'm 31 now, have a wife, exciting job, close friends, and most of all, I'm happy. My pain comes form severe bullying; I got beaten up literally every day as a child for three years. After that, I finally got transferred to another school, but…

"As another poster mentioned, addiction is about getting away from some kind of unbearable inner pain" Could you please give ideas how to id that pain? To be personally specific, my mother never told me positive things, always comparing me to some perfect ideal, and I also was beaten up for not good grades. These seem a "perfect" explanation from what I've read, but still I don't really see them as the cause of my pr…

I'd recommend journaling. It helped me to look at a bunch of feeling words [1] and write down how I am feeling.[2] Then ask why. Finding the answer to why may take a while. Also, there are several layers of why. (Ex. "Why do I watch lots of movies?" "Because it feels sort of relational and kind of numbs the loneliness." "Why?" "Because it is difficult for me to do actual relationships" "Why?" "I think maybe I don't really know what love is and so I act self-oriented." "Why?" "I don't feel like I've have received unconditional love" [loose example from my own life recently])

After you id the pain, if it's because someone hurt you, you need to forgive them, otherwise, you'll get bitter. If the pain is old, you may need to look for the bitterness (expressions of cynicism, complaining, criticizing, and anger may be good areas to explore). It hurts to give up the bitterness and anger, but in my experience life is a whole lot more enjoyable if you forgive people. If I'm honest about it, the times that I am bitter or angry at someone are really miserable.

If your pain is caused by absence of love, I don't know what to do about that yet. As a Christian, I feel like regularly experiencing God's unconditional love is key to fully healing our pain, but I have not walked completely through that yet.

[1] http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~prewett/archive/FeelingWo...

[2] It helped me to write letters to God honestly expressing how I was feeling, including about him, it provides a concrete framework. If you do this, it helps to assume that he is a loving father (since that is what he claims to be), otherwise you might just transfer your anger to him and end up equally stuck.

Re: I am a successful software dev but I have a serious drinking problem

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As another poster mentioned, addiction is about getting away from some kind of unbearable inner pain. I'll share mine, what I did to get deaden it, and how I finally healed it. I'm 31 now, have a wife, exciting job, close friends, and most of all, I'm happy. My pain comes form severe bullying; I got beaten up literally every day as a child for three years. After that, I finally got transferred to another school, but…

"As another poster mentioned, addiction is about getting away from some kind of unbearable inner pain" Could you please give ideas how to id that pain? To be personally specific, my mother never told me positive things, always comparing me to some perfect ideal, and I also was beaten up for not good grades. These seem a "perfect" explanation from what I've read, but still I don't really see them as the cause of my pr…

Therapy can help a lot for these problems. Therapists are trained to recognize unconscious reactions of their clients and then bring those reactions into consciousness, so they can be dealt with by the client.

If you want to do it yourself (not recommended), the first step is usually to notice patterns in your behavior - what do you try to avoid, when do you fall into addictions, etc. Also compare that to what other successful people do - do you find that some things are trivial and no big deal to other people, but cause you to turn into a blubbering mess? You're looking for intense anxiety here, which is why this is so difficult to do yourself - most people instinctively shy away from things that make them anxious, but here you have to deliberately seek them out.

Then, once you've got a clue to where the problem might be, you're looking for a thought that seems to skitter away every time you think of it. For example, I had an issue with needing to be certain about everything, and everything needing to be cut & dried facts. The idea that I may not be perfect, that there were some things I didn't know and never would know, was completely anathema to me. So every time I found myself in such a situation, I'd immediately try to force certainty, either by learning as much as I could and jumping to a conclusion, or by avoiding the situation entirely. When I tried to hold the idea of not being perfect in my head, my psyche would rebel, and thoughts would pop into my head like "That's for weaker minds. I wouldn't be myself if I didn't know everything."

Once you've got the thought that always tries to skitter away, hold onto it and face it directly, no matter how much your consciousness rebels. Usually they'll be some sort of intense emotional reaction - you'll start crying, or you'll want to punch something, or you'll feel like your life is ending. That's why movie dramas (eg. Good Will Hunting) often have some teary scene at the therapist's office. Naturally, you will probably want to be in a safe, private place for this.

You'll want to hold onto that thought until you feel completely spent - it doesn't actually take long once you've IDed the issue (20 minutes to an hour is my experience), but it's exhausting. You should feel "lighter" afterwards though, like your body has been through rough exercise but your mind is freer and no longer weighed down by whatever was troubling you.

Good luck. It's much easier with a trained therapist - or actually, I wouldn't say easier in the sense of "less painful", but you spin your wheels less on false theories about why you are the way that you are.

Re: I am a successful software dev but I have a serious drinking problem

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Have you sought help? Alcohol is an addictive chemical, and if you have a dependency, you don't have to overcome it alone. If, on the other hand, you are like me an you simply drink too much, I can share how I got the situation under control. First, I threw out a lot of the liquor in the house (I kept the good whiskey that I was already saving for a special occasion). Then, I stopped going out to bars as often and, t…

Biggest thing for me was learning to get up early, and sticking with a schedule even on weekends. A lot of us have the privilege of working flexible hours and for me that meant getting hammered and showing up to work at 11am still a bit hungover. I now show up to work at 9 and leave by 6, and don't go out with my old drinking buddies. Likewise I don’t try to pull crazy hours because that shit stresses me out and I co…

> I still drink sparingly and am not sure that makes me an authority.

Don't worry, there are a number of ex-problem drinkers that can and do practice moderation. Some can, some can't. Some need abstinence, some don't. Your experience is not abnormal.

Re: I am a successful software dev but I have a serious drinking problem

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My story is a bit similar to yours. I got diagnosed with ADD when i was 16 and was put on concerta during my high-school years. I am interested on how you manage to get stuff done when smoking weed. I have tried to make weed a tool to manage my self, but its not just working for me. I get really confused in my head and do not manage to produce quality work when stoned. It also sometimes makes me super paranoid.

I have ADHD and no tolerance for weed -- it ruins my headspace and makes me paranoid. I also hate ritalin/etc, so I manage myself using tools like lists, alerts (if I've been using my web browser for too long), calendars, and lots of visual cues around my workspace and home (color-coded stickies). I really, really wish drugs worked better for me, because it looks so much easier.

Yeah, routines sure help. I also TRY to put everything back in its own spot, but i always kid myself I can remember every location of everything, and do not need that.

Exercise routines are also helpful (again, if I do not get bored/distracted 5 mins into it... meaning I have to go somewhere where I can only do activity x. Like the climbing gym, or a martial arts class.

Drugs are not easier at all. Like I said, it's still walking a tight-rope. Also like is being pointed out, brains are differently. I do not get the paranoia from 14+ years of Cannabis use, most people develop it after so much time, or have 0 tolerance and get it from occasional use.

And like I stated, it just puts me in a mode of "focus on one thing". It still doesn't want me to actually start doing something I have to, but I don't get distracted too much from what I'm doing.

So YMMV.. as always. I'd promote regular exercise and routines like you mentioned to start with. You should really look into L-Theanine however. Exp if you drink coffee. It takes off the edginess off caffeine (or any stimulant), while you still get the mental stimulus (focus). When I drink a whole pot of green tea, which contains a good amount of caffeine, my heart rate is even more relaxed than normal.

Re: I am a successful software dev but I have a serious drinking problem

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I think we've all been at a place where we feel that we're using something a little more than we should. Please remember that addiction is a behavior. When you talk with a psychotherapist and get real professional medical help, which you absolutely should, they will help you identify the triggers that cause you to drink. Maybe you're stressed and drinking allows you to relax. Maybe you feel overwhelmed and drinking lets you feel in control. Maybe your parents were alcoholics (mine were) and your drinking fills a void. Whatever it is, there's a real reason for your drinking and uncovering that reason is the key to your sobriety.

Alcoholics Anonymous and other 12 step programs have a high drop out rate (about 50% within the first 90 days) and are not backed by science, so you should talk with an addiction medicine doctor first (and go through an appropriate detox program).

That said, what makes 12 step programs effective is the support community you build in them, so find some people you feel safe talking with and who you can call anytime. In fact, find as many of them as you can. You have ~200 people on HN who took the time to comment, so there's a start.

Re: I am a successful software dev but I have a serious drinking problem

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Man, first thing: YOU ARE NOT ALONE. You are not the first human to become addicted, nor will be the only one. There are people out there that have been in a worse situation than you and that have gone out of addictions. You should find those people, meet them and get out of drinking. Over years you made a path that you have to undo. This will take years, like it took you to create it. Your wife and kids did the righ…

>You should find those people, meet them and get out of drinking I don't mean to be offensive but... This can work, however it might not work depending on who you find. Many former addicts I personally know have replaced their drug habit with a religion habit. They are actively preaching religion at almost all times. This is probably due to the twelve step programs. If you aren't into religion or being preached at, y…

Agreed. AA is a religious program, and if you're not religious you shouldn't do it. It's also not backed by sound medical research, and about 50% of people drop out after the first 90 days.

What is effective about twelve step programs is the support network you build. It's important to have friends you can call on when you're thinking of going to the bar, or just want to take a walk or try something new.

Re: I am a successful software dev but I have a serious drinking problem

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it's good that aa uses the 'god as you understand him' which most people just use that as meaning 'something outside yourself'. its a way to have a consciousness shift and perception change away from negative self talk and see reality as it is not as you interpret it. it can be religious for some, it can just be 'the great unknown' for others. really makes no difference. just that theres something other than your own…

>it's good that aa uses the 'god as you understand him' which most people just use that as meaning 'something outside yourself'. Have you read the AA "big book?" If you have it is very clear it refers to the Judeo-Christian God with many quotes from the Bible. Its section on non-believers is completely offensive (to me). It basically says "accept god or die."

it does explicitly say god as you understand him - but i do know what you mean. its a shame that get's in the way for you tho, as there are alot of tools in there that if put to use - does provide alot of relief - alot more than drugs and alcohol provide.

Re: I am a successful software dev but I have a serious drinking problem

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Try going to an AA meeting and saying you're an atheist--you'll find plenty others present. Your friend avoids getting help because he's an addict, not because he's offended by the 12 step program. You would suggest doing nothing in the absence of a perfect solution? That is awfully convenient if you're a fan of getting high...

>Your friend avoids getting help because he's an addict, not because he's offended by the 12 step program. Completely and totally incorrect. He has tried AA, and was completely disgusted with it. He just thinks if he tries to get professional help again, it will be like AA and he doesn't want that. Quitting on his own hasn't worked out yet, he's tried. >You would suggest doing nothing in the absence of a perfect solu…

LOL such denial. Your friend just likes to get wasted and doesn't want to really stop. He would just like the consequences to stop while still being able to get wasted at his own accord.

Re: I am a successful software dev but I have a serious drinking problem

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Gabor Mate heals heroin addicts with two powerful psychedelic plants: Ayahuasca (DMT) and Iboga. I have been to a couple of Ayahuasca ceremonies in the past year, and I can report that - among its many awesome effects - it effectively resets your inner emotional "firmware", helping you cope with stressful situations and addictions much better (I had instantly quit smoking after the first ceremony.) Vipassana meditati…

> even people who practice half-hour daily buddhist meditation praise its beneficial effects on mental and physical well being. Wanted to lend some weight to this. I've practiced mindful meditation on and off for a year or so. I've never hit an hour or even half an hour at a time, but I will say it is fairly effective for recalibrating your mental state even with just a few minutes a day. I find myself much more pati…

I've found 20, 45 or 90 minutes to be the ideal time where I feel super refreshed after. Maybe try pushing yourself sometime to get to longer times just to see how it goes.
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