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Re: Jolla

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Post by Angostura »

jggonz wrote: post #50
jasonkester wrote: post #44

They seem to put a lot of effort into telling you things other than "what is this thing?" It sorta looks like a phone. Is it a phone? "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS." Sweet. How is that relevant? It must be important because it spends the rest of the page telling you about the OS. I'm back here, with honestly no idea what it is. Probably not the impression they want to leave on people, assuming (as a guess) that th…

On the homepage "Jolla.com" it says: Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS, a truly open and distinct mobile operating system. Navigate effortlessly with the gesture-based user interface and load the phone with top Android™ apps. So it is a phone since they call it a phone. :)

Not all, it is perfectly possible to read this as saying that a phone running Jolla is capable of running Android apps.

It's entirely possible to interpret the blurb as saying that Jolla is some kind of framework running on an OS called Sailfish, which adds Android compatibility and a gesture-based UI.

Re: Jolla

#202

Post by Angostura »

jggonz wrote: post #55
lambda wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably hasn't been getting much attention because so far it is vaporware (until you can actually buy a device, it's not all that interesting), and it's a member of the complicated Maemo/Moblin/Meego/Tizen/Mer/Sailfish family that keeps on promising great things but seems to be reinvented every year and never actually delivers a working or supported ecosystem. Yes, a few devices have been released in that family, bu…

> Probably hasn't been getting much attention because so far it is vaporware (until you can actually buy a device, it's not all that interesting I think having other "Android"-compatible phones out there is very interesting. The more options there are for the consumer, the better off we are. Take a look at the iPhone vs Android scene. If it weren't for other options being available, we'd still be living with 3.5" LCD…

> I think having other "Android"-compatible phones out there is very interesting.

It would be interesting if I understood what particular problem it solves, which I don't really.

Re: Jolla

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Post by jpatokal »

geuis wrote: post #112
Brakenshire wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the people who are genuinely confused, Jolla is a company that sells smartphones, their first smartphone is also called Jolla; it runs Sailfish OS, which is effectively a fork of the Meego operating system which Nokia used in its N9/N900 phones, before they switched to Windows Mobile. This is not very surprising, because Jolla is a Finnish company principally made up of ex-Nokia engineers, including a lot of the…

Please forward this paragraph to their web folks. Just put it right at the top as a first-read. Then everything else makes a lot more sense.

To us geeks, yes, but that's still not giving anybody else a single reason to buy the thing.

Re: Jolla

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Post by skue »

Brakenshire wrote: post #95
jasonkester wrote: post #44

They seem to put a lot of effort into telling you things other than "what is this thing?" It sorta looks like a phone. Is it a phone? "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS." Sweet. How is that relevant? It must be important because it spends the rest of the page telling you about the OS. I'm back here, with honestly no idea what it is. Probably not the impression they want to leave on people, assuming (as a guess) that th…

For the people who are genuinely confused, Jolla is a company that sells smartphones, their first smartphone is also called Jolla; it runs Sailfish OS, which is effectively a fork of the Meego operating system which Nokia used in its N9/N900 phones, before they switched to Windows Mobile. This is not very surprising, because Jolla is a Finnish company principally made up of ex-Nokia engineers, including a lot of the…

You mentioned it won't have access to Google Play or Play Services APIs. That will be a serious challenge, and they are bound to end up with a lot of frustrated customers.

I don't see how they can advertise that it runs "top Android apps" & "latest Android apps" without supporting the Play Services APIs.

Re: Jolla

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Post by shooper »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #189
shooper wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hedge fund ownership for the level of influence you're talking about is public information. One can easily compile and compare lists of top hedge fund holders in Microsoft and Nokia. E.g. the current list of big Nokia holders is here. http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/nok/institutional-holdings Microsoft: http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/msft/institutional-holdings Historical data should also be easy to find if someone really…

And the largest holder of Nokia shares has Microsoft as one of their largest holdings... http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/nok/institutional-holdings http://www.nasdaq.com/quotes/institutional-portfolio/dodge--...

So between you and me, we uncovered more than the entire Finnish press with a few minutes of web searching?

This is looking more and more like a thread in /r/conspiracy.

Anyway, I don't know what Dodge & Cox achieved if they really influenced anything, Nokia stock went from ~$11 to $1.60 to $8 after the acquisition, and whatever Microsoft share price gained during the same time, it wasn't because of the Nokia acquisition or Windows Phone.

Re: Jolla

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Post by Zigurd »

MehdiEG wrote: post #81
lambda wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably hasn't been getting much attention because so far it is vaporware (until you can actually buy a device, it's not all that interesting), and it's a member of the complicated Maemo/Moblin/Meego/Tizen/Mer/Sailfish family that keeps on promising great things but seems to be reinvented every year and never actually delivers a working or supported ecosystem. Yes, a few devices have been released in that family, bu…

As far as I can see from a completely outsider perspective, the Maemo / Meego / Jolla team have always been severely under-resourced, have always been the underdog and have always deeply suffered from the political turmoil happening above their head while they were at Nokia. One thing they have never been however is vaporware. They have always delivered. And what they've delivered, particularly with Meego, was superb…

> As far as I can see from a completely outsider perspective, the Maemo / Meego / Jolla team have always been severely under-resourced

Compared with Tizen, FirefoxOS, or Ubuntu Touch, Jolla probably has a bigger and more experienced team.

Tizen has been career Siberia at Samsung, despite all the noise about how Samsung "wants to not depend on Android." Samsung even more wants all the money Android makes for them and are timid about pissing off Google. Samsung and Intel don't communicate well. Until Samsung finally killed their Symbian products (IIRC) about a year ago, more people were working on Symbian at Samsung than on Tizen. Why does Intel need a handset Linux of their own? Answer: they don't, and one day the CEO will notice.

Ubuntu Touch, like many initiatives at Ubuntu, seems tentative. The way Canonical tried to crowdfund a device makes it seem like they have no launch partners.

Firefox OS has a solid team behind it, but they are also dogmatic about it being a Web operating system. They would turn up their noses at having Android compatibility. What if the sweet spot for Web operating systems is Chromebooks? It was tried on handsets once already and failed.

Re: Jolla

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Post by Zigurd »

daliusd wrote: post #139
salient wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canonical refused to offer Android emulation for that reason. They didn't think it would be beneficial for Ubuntu Touch in the long term.

IMHO that's right decision. BlackBerry offered Android and it is low value.

Blackberry has a security model that is incompatible with Android's rather liberal model, so every app has to be vetted and sold through Blackberry's app store. That will put a big wet blanket on your Android app availability.

Technologically, Blackberry did a great job.

Re: Jolla

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Post by vanderZwan »

daliusd wrote: post #133
geuis wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please forward this paragraph to their web folks. Just put it right at the top as a first-read. Then everything else makes a lot more sense.

I'm pretty sure they can't use "Nokia" in their advertisements.

Could they parody action movie trailers and say something like "From the engineers who brought you the legendary Nokia N900..."?

Re: Jolla

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Post by pekk »

vanderZwan wrote: post #208
daliusd wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure they can't use "Nokia" in their advertisements.

Could they parody action movie trailers and say something like "From the engineers who brought you the legendary Nokia N900..."?

How does that help the 'normal people are confused' argument?

Re: Jolla

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Post by par »

jasonkester wrote: post #44

They seem to put a lot of effort into telling you things other than "what is this thing?" It sorta looks like a phone. Is it a phone? "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS." Sweet. How is that relevant? It must be important because it spends the rest of the page telling you about the OS. I'm back here, with honestly no idea what it is. Probably not the impression they want to leave on people, assuming (as a guess) that th…

do you really need it spelled out that it's a phone??
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