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I have a theory that software drives people insane

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Re: I have a theory that software drives people insane

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michaelrpeskin wrote: post #101
robotnikman wrote: post #85

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Man I wish I was born 20 years earlier so I could be working in the golden age of developers like this (and also buy a home at a decent price)

I resemble that remark. The trouble is that I'm now too old and if I ever lose my job, I'll never find another one. No one hiring in tech wants the greybeards.

Getting the kids to insist they be paid what their contributions are worth would raise the boat for all developers. Of course that would take some sort of big bad union, which the oligarch vc asshats really don't like.

Re: I have a theory that software drives people insane

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win311fwg wrote: post #200
devmor wrote: post #196

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I don't know what kind of things you are inferring from my comments, but they are quite clear and do not contradict eachother. I'll ask you to stick to the literal text of my words rather than guessing new meanings for them if you want to discuss them with me further!

No need to guess new meanings. The message was loud and clear: '"What problem are we trying to solve?" is a question I have to ask constantly in corporate development environments, and rarely does anyone presenting the task to be done actually know the answer! It's very frustrating.' We talked about that for a bit, and then, only hours later, we got: "Your job doesn't have to be that way." So, again, I am glad you re…

I am not sure what is confusing you here, but just to be clear: I have been working as a developer for about 15 years. I have not worked for the same company that entire time.

Re: I have a theory that software drives people insane

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Post by da_chicken »

addaon wrote: post #198
da_chicken wrote: post #192

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You're mistaking shitty software for software that doesn't work. Shitty software is 100% functional. You just hate it. By intentionally picking the software that eliminates the UI, when the whole benefit of computers as a tool is that the UI is infinitely flexible, you're picking shitty software that doesn't appear that shitty. But it still is. I mean, I hate the way my TV remote works and have wanted to change it. B…

> when the whole benefit of computers as a tool is that the UI is infinitely flexible I think this statement is insane. The benefit of computers is that they allow complex behaviors to be defined and implemented. The benefit of software is that it’s the lowest-NRE way of defining those complex behaviors. UI doesn’t come into it, except in a few edge cases like desktop computers, phones, appliances, etc. A climate mod…

Okay, I don't really feel like your going for a good faith interpretation of the points I'm trying to make. You're taking things hyper literally and out of context. I don't feel like you're really trying to understand what I'm saying at all.

Re: I have a theory that software drives people insane

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devmor wrote: post #202
win311fwg wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to guess new meanings. The message was loud and clear: '"What problem are we trying to solve?" is a question I have to ask constantly in corporate development environments, and rarely does anyone presenting the task to be done actually know the answer! It's very frustrating.' We talked about that for a bit, and then, only hours later, we got: "Your job doesn't have to be that way." So, again, I am glad you re…

I am not sure what is confusing you here, but just to be clear: I have been working as a developer for about 15 years. I have not worked for the same company that entire time.

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Re: I have a theory that software drives people insane

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Post by win311fwg »

devmor wrote: post #202
win311fwg wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to guess new meanings. The message was loud and clear: '"What problem are we trying to solve?" is a question I have to ask constantly in corporate development environments, and rarely does anyone presenting the task to be done actually know the answer! It's very frustrating.' We talked about that for a bit, and then, only hours later, we got: "Your job doesn't have to be that way." So, again, I am glad you re…

I am not sure what is confusing you here, but just to be clear: I have been working as a developer for about 15 years. I have not worked for the same company that entire time.

The confusion is in the story changing each time. At one point you earlier asked us to take the literal text of the words, but in that text there is no literal mention of one company. It also literally asserts that you are currently frustrated ("It [is] very frustrating", not "It was very frustrating").

Now this seems to imply, to the best of my interpretation, that you only experienced that job at a single company some time in the past. Okay. But where did you think that was found in the earlier text? As far as I can see this is new information. And why are you still (at time of writing that comment, at least) frustrated by something that you are now suggesting, as best I can tell, was already no longer a part of your life and, given you finding significance in noting that you've done this for 15 years, likely hasn't been for a long time?

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