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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by gf000 »

tfrancisl wrote: post #45
inigyou wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank? Assuming my bank is one of the ones that requires you to lock down sideloading (they aren't, but i know many are).

Well, it's kinda hard to scan a QR code displayed on your screen when the camera is attached to its back (semi-joking)

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by LelouBil »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #179
BoldColdHold wrote: post #173

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Lower end devices simply don't have the hardware required.

I would bet that what Motorola can change without trouble on the lower end is more restricted, too. Generally low end models use more parts that are old, off the shelf, and/or shared with several other models to keep costs low, and so major changes can quickly balloon costs.

From the linked url

> Lower end devices will take more time to meet our requirements since the updates and security features aren't as good. It's mostly due to how Qualcomm handles it. The latest Snapdragon flagships have the best security features. We'll also need Motorola to start paying them for longer updates below flagships

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by unfocso »

ledoge wrote: post #52
unfocso wrote: post #10

A year ago or so, the ThinkPhone 23 (Snapdragon 8, 2023, a weird "flagship") was available for 229€ new on various retail stores. The phone also supports Mobian/PostmarketOS and the bootloader is unlockable with no adverse effects. Out of nowhere, it received (along with other older phones) updates up to Android 16. I wouldn't be surprised if the "sudden" update was just a side effect of Motorola preparing for Graphe…

No current Motorola phones meet their hardware requirements. 2027 flagship models will be the first to be supported. https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2058730195041812839 https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2064124713501163912

Oh, that's unfortunate. I thought they meant support would be released in 2027, not that phones from 2027 would be supported only. :(

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by Retr0id »

nunobrito wrote: post #146
Retr0id wrote: post #21

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Security-through-obscurity (i.e. using a custom ROM on a lesser-known device) does have some upsides, since you're less likely to be compatible with off-the-shelf exploits. But this is much less true now that LLMs exist, and anyone who can afford the tokens can port any exploit to any and all vulnerable devices. Who maintains the kernel+driver trees used by the LineageOS port you're using? And what's the modem's secu…

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If a state actor wants to pwn your phone, they don't need to orchestrate a complex inter-organizational conspiracy to get there.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by drnick1 »

virajk_31 wrote: post #9

I bought the Moto signature a month ago , I already assumed it prolly won't support graphene, since some of the previous replies on X indicate that the graphene team requires full hardware compliance with their requirements, and the Signature apparently is not compliant yet. Anyway I ended up buying a really good smartphone.. just not a graphene supported haha :( Also this is really great collab from moto & graphene…

> I heard month ago Volkswagen banned graphene, hopefully we we will see moving things in opposite direction...

Why would anyone want a car app? Is being tracked by the car's telematics unit (cellular modem) not enough?

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by cesarb »

tfrancisl wrote: post #45
inigyou wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank? Assuming my bank is one of the ones that requires you to lock down sideloading (they aren't, but i know many are).

> What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank?

The "security module" they require you to install on your computer. In the past, when browsers had plugins, this was a browser plugin; nowadays, it's an always-on service (running as root) which exposes a local HTTP server which the bank site connects to to validate your computer. For an example from a major bank in this country (the same "security module" is used by several banks in this country), https://seg.bb.com.br/home.html is the diagnostic page for that "security module" (the FAQ page there has links to the installers).

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

nunobrito wrote: post #151
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #137

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My 9a running GrapheneOS doesn't get hot and battery life seems no different to other phones I've had the last few years.

That can also indicate you are not a PoI

It would seem dwedge is likely a PoI in many jurisdictions.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by renehsz »

dotancohen wrote: post #182
TFNA wrote: post #162

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In many countries, all major local banks require their phone app as the second factor to log in to the browser version of their online banking. Sometimes functionality is removed from the browser version and made available only in the phone app.

And what do people without a smartphone use?

A hardware-based CardTAN device, which is super inconvenient. Or else they can't do any online banking at all.

crying in EU :(

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by milkytron »

Noaidi wrote: post #189
Arrowmaster wrote: post #148

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The 2026 Signature doesn't appear to be for sale in the US. Does this mean we have to wait for the lower end devices if we don't want a fold/flip?

Wow, I do not think any of these phones are available in the U.S.

The Flip and Fold are. I see them available on the Motorola US store page.
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