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Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

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Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#201
I think there is a bigger issue here.

Charging people for their fundamental rights.

It happens in many different ways. Look at all these people that just want to live and they can't even do that without having to pay to exists.

It is getting to be like that movie "In Time" where there is a clock you have to keep funding or you expire.

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the U.S., it's about 28% of the populace which pays no taxes (or ends up netting to zero or negative taxation; for example, working families with children are often in a situation where they might owe $2,000 in taxes but also get a credit of $5,000, for a net refund of $3,000.) My 28% figure includes property, sales taxes, etc. but does not include taxes that employers, landlords, and so on pay. This is all very b…

So the federal government can disenfranchise anyone they want by issuing that class of taxpayer a refund?

This would be pointless to do for one person, and it would be very curious to see a government reject a massive funding stream from a swath of people like this.

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#203

50% of Americans think taxes are too high, the other 50% think taxes need to be higher so they’ll get a larger refund. It’s not a sustainable system. A better solution would be to change tax law so a “payer” can’t receive a larger refund than what they paid. No more credits, only deductions.

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Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#204

> one that would strip voting rights from anyone who pays no income tax It could be an interesting thought experiment to consider the second and third order consequences, even if, from first principles this is a non-starter in a democratic society. First off all, what percent of people do not pay any taxes on income? What portion of them are poor vs. hedge fund managers or other super wealthy people who have structur…

We don’t have to go farther back than 100 years in history to know what this looks like. Poll taxes, land ownership requirements, etc. were pretty common. So were goon squads to beat and murder people who tried to change that. It wasn’t good.

I wouldn't want a lot of the landscape 100 years ago, but I'd happily be disenfranchised if I could get the size of government 100+ years ago (federal government <~2% of GDP in non-wartime)

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the U.S., it's about 28% of the populace which pays no taxes (or ends up netting to zero or negative taxation; for example, working families with children are often in a situation where they might owe $2,000 in taxes but also get a credit of $5,000, for a net refund of $3,000.) My 28% figure includes property, sales taxes, etc. but does not include taxes that employers, landlords, and so on pay. This is all very b…

So the federal government can disenfranchise anyone they want by issuing that class of taxpayer a refund?

A total refund, that is, $0 in income tax.

Even more interesting (and less deliberately manipulative): The government could make it voluntary. Below $X tax liability, you can choose a total refund - but you can't vote. That would be voting by those who actually care about the vote (or who owe more than $X).

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Words have a well-defined meaning. Fascism, as established by Benito Mussolini, has nothing to do with oligarchy or plutarchy.

No idea why people downvote you when you’re right.

Only American-style political discourse is accepted on the Internet, where either you're with us or you're against us.

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#208
Shouldn't it be the reverse? The vote of people who earn less (and are therefore more disadvantaged in society and rely on fair laws the most) should count more.

Tax and "money paid to the system" is a red herring only an entitled super rich person would think is relevant.

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#209

Fascinating to see how many tech people, as soon as they get rich, turn to extreme. Name them all - they mostly all are very active on X, and each new tweet pushes the limits of what was previously deemed unacceptable. I'm rich, so my opinion must be more important, right?

All the stuff all these people post on X is just regurgitation of 4chan circa 2016. The lingo is literally all just /fit/ memes from 10 years ago rebranded.

-maxxing, "mogging", "NGMI", I'm literally going nuts waiting for Gavin to start asking trump "DYEL"?

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#210
post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but please google first on what Mussolini preached. State-owned corporazioni are nothing like privately operated businesses of today. Don’t hang on the word. The correct word you are looking for is plutocrat, indeed.

The word I wanted to reach for was Nazi but I toned it down

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