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Re: Siri AI

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Post by himata4113 »

pastel8739 wrote: post #199
himata4113 wrote: post #154

I read through the entire DMA rant that apple has here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI. Apple already: 1) requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update) 2) has strong kernel enfo…

> Given the serious risks to users, Apple designed a solution called Trusted System Agent — an intermediary that would allow virtual assistants to safely access the same features and capabilities as Siri AI for devices in the EU. Apple also shared a plan to launch Siri AI in the EU while gradually rolling out this new solution over an 18-month period. The European Commission said no. In fact, the European Commission…

"Trusted System Agent" imo sounds like an apple approved agent which would only be available to companies that accept apples (likely unreasonable) demands and would completely lock smaller companies out of the ecosystem.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by e28eta »

vages wrote: post #146
InTheArena wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't really true. AI laws in the EU mandate that Apple give full access to everythign on the device to third parties. It's legit to be skeptical on the privacy front, but giving deepseek access to my entire phone. Or the TrumpAI at some point in a dystopian future seems... not great.

What’s your source for this? Opening up an API does not mean that everything on the phone is accessible to anybody.

They’re actively asking developers to index all the content in their apps, to provide Personal Context that Siri can use for user requests. And to create/index the actions available in the app.

So, where developers comply, all of that content is now accessible to those alternative implementations.

It’s not full read/write of the phone, and it’d exclude obvious secrets like passwords, but it is quite far reaching access.

I don’t know what sort of restrictions they can put on the alternative implementations. Can I vibe code one and have it live in a week? or is there a minimum bar?

Re: Siri AI

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Post by data-ottawa »

gregorygoc wrote: post #176

Can Apple now focus on rolling back Liquid Glass “upgrade”?

If you watched the keynote they added transparency controls, adjusted the refraction, removed the different window corner radii into one, and cleaned up sidebars and toolbars. They also updated icons to have more depth to them so you get a harder border on key elements.

I still look at older MacOS screenshots and think a lot of it looks better, but directionally they are improving Liquid Glass.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by browningstreet »

OberstKrueger wrote: post #14

> Available on iPhone 17 Pro, iPhone 17 Pro Max, iPhone Air, iPad models with M4 and later and at least 12GB of unified memory, and Mac models with M3 and later and at least 12GB of unified memory. It’s really disappointing to see the on-device models being limited to so few devices. And this was after the iPhone 16 and 16 Pro were marketed so heavily with supporting their now failed effort at AI.

I'm glad I've been sitting on my iPhone 15 Pro Max... I'll upgrade someday, if/when I need to and the software updates are compelling, but I'll see how things run on my M5 Macbook. But the 15 Pro Max isn't subpar in any other way.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by cgearhart »

seaal wrote: post #86
arijun wrote: post #24

They’re adding vibecoded shortcuts (the high level scripting for Apple devices). Hopefully that means they worked out some of the long-existing bugs and missing features, but I’m not optimistic. Still, could be a useful tool, especially for less tech-literate people.

Just updated to see if I could make a shortcut to toggle `Reduced White Point` accessibility shortcut. "Try describing something different for the shortcut." I guess I shouldn't be surprised that it still doesn't work.

I just tested this myself. I wrote “flip the reduce white point toggle accessibility option in the settings app” and it worked perfectly. Run once to set it and run again to disable it.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by browningstreet »

bilsbie wrote: post #53

It’s weird it says I can ask Siri about a document in front of me but can I ask it about a webpage I’m currently reading? (It’s been driving me crazy there’s no “AI this” button to discuss whatever is on my screen.)

Today's presentation was about the things you can do in the next release. And the asnwer to your question is "yes", in Golden Gate.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by xlii »

> We’re deeply disappointed that our EU users won’t have Siri AI on iPhone or iPad when we share our new software releases later this year

I really enjoy this lag. Apple with the whole DMA made iPhone completely dull to my eyes. Previously? Updated yearly. Now? 3+ years without replacement and probably will stick to it for next 2-3 years.

Sure maybe in US Apple is fun. But in EU it's.. boring (and not like a Golang boring, just boring)

Re: Siri AI

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Post by Danox »

merlindru wrote: post #114
aurareturn wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't personally agree with EU's mandates. I think it's ok if Apple only allows their own models to run on iOS at the OS level. If OpenAI makes their own AI-phone, do they have to let Anthropic and Deepseek run their models on it too?

> do they have to let Anthropic and Deepseek run their models on it too? provided it gets big enough, yes. the EU's position roughly is "if this hurts an entire market just to benefit you, and lots of people use / rely on it, then you gotta allow it"

Then the EU’s not gonna get anywhere the US and China will just sail along. The lawyers in the EU are essentially cutting their throats building hardware and operating systems cost real money and time which is one of the reasons Apple is using Google’s model for $1 billion a year. (when Apple finishes their models in house, Google probably will be dropped). Like dropping Broadcom, Intel, or Qualcomm in 2027-28).

It takes real time to drag along five ecosystems. That is the main reason it’s taking Apple longer than they’re so-called competition? Noticed that Google and Microsoft only do bits and pieces. Microsoft has no mobile and Google at its heart is an ad company the processor is six years behind.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by data-ottawa »

troupo wrote: post #198
data-ottawa wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could see jitter in the reflection on the MacBook as the guy typed, so that all looked great. The responses came in very fast though, so I’m sceptical that the latency is representative (or that they didn’t cherry pick results, but they looked LLM generated). We shall see though.

Even for live shows they'd cherry pick specific scenarios that were known to work, and those would sometimes fail. IN a heavily produced pre-arranged pre-determined marketing video? It was as polished and made as smooth as possible.

I think that’s mostly okay, I just worry about the times. It was like 2-3 seconds to search and pull context then generate the answer.

I’m writing AI apps these days, and even pulling Gemini 3.5 flash on Google Cloud takes longer to get a multi-step response.

Obviously the video is not representative, and there are fast models on fast hardware. But if this takes 2 minutes it’s not very compelling to users.

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