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Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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> Respectfully, that's kind of a ridiculous "impression," easily refuted by many of us who have wanted to recommend GIMP to people. Is it though? Almost every time the topic is discussed, I see someone in the comments only then learning that the word is also known by some as a slur. > Like, if the word "poop" was in the name of some otherwise good software. Except that ‘poop’ is a common word with a single common mea…

I think "Do people commonly understand 'gimp' as a derogatory word?" is the wrong question. The right question is, "Did _enough_ people understand 'gimp' as a derogatory word to harm its adoption?" and the answer is probably yes. The people complaining about GIMP's name are the ones who love and use it, who have seen the name cause problems. There's a modicum of grief for the counterfactual (of how much better GIMP m…

I doubt if anyone’s mind was changed about adopting GIMP.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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>it's clear the UI was crafted by coders Is it? Why? Looking at the screenshot on this, it just seems like a few items were moved around a bit, presumably because that's where Photoshop has them.

They were talking about GIMPs default UI.

Yeah, I was too, I'll clarify. The photoGIMP UI doesn't seem that meaningfully different than the default UI to me, to where the idea that it is then not "crafted by coders" doesn't seem to make sense to me.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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I don't know the current status, but at least last time I checked you could not have strokes/outline on text, and afterwards change the text :( It's such a little thing that makes gimp annoying to use. And it affects a broad audience. Wedding cards or youtube title thumbnails. Maybe it works now. I hope. Non destructive layer resize works now, right?

Non-destructive text outline has been around for a while now: https://www.gimp.org/news/2022/11/18/gimp-2-99-14-released/#... Non-destructive resize works on vector layers and link layers (essentially "smart objects" in GIMP). We have the capability to do this for regular layers too - just need to connect some things and change some internal assumptions about transform filters.

Huh, 2.99 does that mean it was the beta for 3.0?

Because I think i have been using stable gimp a few times over the last couple of years and not seen it.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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post #106

While all the comments about GIMP needing a total UX overhaul etc. are likely valid, it's worth noting that there's something like 2 people working on the bulk of GIMP at the moment. It's not a startup that has just raised a series A and opened a flashy San Francisco office. All that is to say that I don't think the problem is the GIMP devs not knowing what the problems are and needing them explained over and over ag…

As an outsider, trying to make some UI/UX changes in old open source projects is often extremely energy consuming and difficult. You have to convince all the old hands, who feel it's their project (maybe rightfully so) that the changes are good for new users. Old users will mostly fight any change (don't want to relearn). Many discussions end with "maybe let's make this a setting?". This leads to crappy software with…

LibreOffice did a great job of transitioning to an alternative UX and went further to implement not just ribbons but different combinations classic menu with ribbons.

That's the answer IMO, yeah now there's two UX to maintain but it's a step forward.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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...before any of this matters though:

- is non-destructive editing implemented yet in GIMP?

- is stability finally improved, can I running without a never ending crashfest on both ubuntu and macos?

bc tbh the UI was never the issue for GIMP, it just wasn't good enough software.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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It's different not in an apples to oranges way, it's like apples to dried squid. GIMP is/was very much an acquired taste and pretty tough to learn compared to modern UI standards. Photoshop is not perfect or easy, but it's "normal".

That's a lot of hand waving. Any specific examples?

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Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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While I agree, and I've been hammering this point as a GIMP user for two decades I think the "GIMP is actually a fine name" are increasingly a minority. Its name makes GIMP hostile to user adoption. Anyone who works in a primarily English-spekaing country knows what it's like to try to use GIMP at work, especially in K-12. It's not like it was an accident, either. GIMP is a backronym because they wanted to name it af…

It’s only the British (and influenced by) who have a negative view of the name. The rest of us don’t care, and wish you’d quit bringing it up. For example there’s a juice company here in the US named ’Suja,’ and it’s obvious they have no Brazilian employees because it means dirty/obscene in Portuguese. Simple words sometimes mean unfortunate things in other countries. Adults get over them.

I thought it was mostly Americans who cared about the name and not British, could totally be wrong though.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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While I agree, and I've been hammering this point as a GIMP user for two decades I think the "GIMP is actually a fine name" are increasingly a minority. Its name makes GIMP hostile to user adoption. Anyone who works in a primarily English-spekaing country knows what it's like to try to use GIMP at work, especially in K-12. It's not like it was an accident, either. GIMP is a backronym because they wanted to name it af…

There was a short lived project to fork and rebrand under Glimpse with improved UI, but it's been inactive for years. All the links I find are forks of forks, 404s, and parked domains.

The name Glimpse has a horrible sound to it, they should have gone with something very different.

Also these tend to work when the new project has momentum and enough developers.

Sodipodi was forked to Inkscape, part of it was they wanted to change language to C++.

The momentum went to the new program.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Another lesson GIMP could take from Blender is the importance of a python REPL that updates with the analog commands to the menu items you're clicking. GIMP allows scripting from some kind of lisp, but in many hours of attempt I've never gotten it to do what I know it can do. But I was effective in blender within seconds because it allowed me to directly translate my actions to code.

GIMP has a Python console, and several built-in plug-ins are written in Python: https://docs.gimp.org/3.2/en/gimp-filters-python-fu.html We want to make macros simpler (some of the work I helped out with for GIMP 3.0 was to lay the groundwork for automated/recordable operations), but as with all the things on our roadmap it takes time and developers.

I used the python API in GIMP headless early on in my career, was pretty handy.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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I think "Do people commonly understand 'gimp' as a derogatory word?" is the wrong question. The right question is, "Did _enough_ people understand 'gimp' as a derogatory word to harm its adoption?" and the answer is probably yes. The people complaining about GIMP's name are the ones who love and use it, who have seen the name cause problems. There's a modicum of grief for the counterfactual (of how much better GIMP m…

I doubt if anyone’s mind was changed about adopting GIMP.

People who never hear about GIMP in the first place are never going to use it.

Someone asks, "How did you make that?" and your answer is PhotoShop and not GIMP. That's one less person who might use GIMP, and one less person who might introduce GIMP to other people, and so forth.

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