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Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by nullc »

hamdingers wrote: post #29
exitb wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some time ago the printers were able to communicate over both cloud and local protocols. Then, in a firmware update, they created distinct modes for those. You can still use the printers with OrcaSlicer, but in a mode that prevents being controlled by cloud too.

This is a feature. When I enable LAN mode I do not want Bambu to be able to control my printer. It remains astonishing to me that this is controversial. Not everyone has the knowhow to block internet access to their printer, so having a toggle in firmware is terrific. I've verified after turning it on that it never phones home. Couldn't be happier.

Almost no one meaningfully isolates their bambu-- lots of people isolate the printer but bambu makes you run their mystery meat 'network plugin' on your host.

Unless you're running qubes or some other virtualization setup their network plugin punctures whatever airgap you put around the printer and also gives them access to your system as well.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by ryanobjc »

Symbiote wrote: post #184
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a Prusa several years ago that I had a rollercoaster of feels on. It's reliable, works great, but also cost me $900. For the next 3 years or so I was wondering whether I should have just bought a $250 Bambu and gotten almost same results. Now I'm happy I didn't.

Both friends with Bambu printers bought them because they were cheaper than Prusa, and they wanted "a tool, not a hobby" (which I think is marketing invented to disparage an open source, repairable printer). Three years later, they have unreliable printers that are difficult to maintain. I have a five year old Prusa, still working very nicely, and it's still a tool and not itself a hobby.

Prusa are clearly tools: you can fix it, modify it, and still have warranty apply. You can get after-sales parts, and service.

Bambu are appliances. They can work great out of the box, but appliances do not have upgrade paths. You do not upgrade a microwave, you throw it out and get a new one. Or maybe it's more like a fridge, you can limitedly repair some bits, but you cannot wholesale upgrade from V1 to V2.

Anyways bought the core one a few months ago, on kit, and did the whole assembly. The assembly was fun, and the resulting printer has been great. The print fails I had were all easily understandable, entirely due to adhesion issues to a dirty print plate.

I also ordered the indx and am looking forward to capabilities that are not possible with the AMS system. I'm more of an artist though, so I'm looking for interesting and cool ways to make things, not just 3D printing figurines or sculptures etc.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by fc417fc802 »

greggsy wrote: post #58
the_biot wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

His passion does manifest as drama 90% of the time, but it’s somewhat necessary to build momentum and attention to the causes that he promotes. Also, he has to toe the line of opinion to avoid being slapped with spurious legal challenges.

> Also, he has to toe the line of opinion to avoid being slapped with spurious legal challenges.

Does he? Intentional misrepresentation is one thing and inadvertent inaccuracies quite another.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by MBCook »

holowoodman wrote: post #198
anamexis wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prusa is on par with Bambu in that respect. Really, Prusa are the ones that pioneered hassle-free calibration.

What Prusa is that? Last one I've used (not my own, community lab), I had to level the bed using the sheet-of-paper-method. Which is the reason why I got a Bambu for myself.

They fixed that with the 3.5 or 3.9 upgrade many years ago.

The 4 and Core One families never had to do it.

Edit: and yes, it did suck

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by MBCook »

bsder wrote: post #200
jchw wrote: post #66

I made the tragic mistake of getting a Bambu printer (an X1C, with AMS even...) right before they gave all of us the middle finger. I now have it offline, running out of date firmware, connected to a special WiFi network that is isolated from the Internet. That upset me, but now I'm pissed. Now I don't even care about their stupid printers. Now I'd like to waste Bambu Lab's time and cause problems for them. And also,…

> my eyes are on Prusa should I want another printer any time soon for any reason. Have Prusa finally fixed their engineering? Prusa basically sitting inert on the engineering front is what allowed Bambu to leapfrog them. Bambu made real engineering improvements: linear slides, servomotor for feed, accelerometer tuning, etc. Has Prusa finally decided to compete again? A lot of us are willing to give a company more mo…

Bambu won with relentless free giveaways to every YouTuber on the planet, cheap prices, and a consumer friendly looking design.

I don’t think they earned it.

I suspect there is a huge number of people out there who bought them who don’t even know what else exists. They saw a YouTuber advertise one on a video making something and decided to buy that.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by nullc »

gamblor956 wrote: post #183
sottol wrote: post #64

Bambu also tried to patent several widely used techniques in china, fyi. https://www.mdpi.com/2411-5134/8/6/141

Most countries are first to file, not first to invent or first to disclose. First to file rewards this type of behavior.

That's a common but highly misleading view.

If you invent something and publish it (including by offering it to the public in product) your work constitutes prior art and is an absolute bar against the subsequent (valid) patenting of the invention by a third party. F2F vs F2I has no impact on this.

What F2F means if that if two people working in secret create the same invention and show up at the patent office at the same time-- the first one to file gets it. The earlier F2I scheme instead had a contest where the party that is the most ambitious in fabricating lab notebooks to backdate their invention gets the patent.

Because of a poor choice in naming many people wrongfully assume F2F means you can go pick up other people's inventions out of the public sphere and claim them as your own because you filed first.

The misunderstanding is exacerbated because fraudulently patenting other people's inventions is commonplace-- as there is no consequence for doing so except losing the patent after getting defeated on review/litigation-- but the practice isn't meaningfully influenced by F2F vs F2I.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by MBCook »

exabrial wrote: post #26

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do). I support him even though people can pick him apart.

Who IS he, could you give a summary?

I don’t recognize the name and for some reason the article never gives a single sentence of context just expecting you to know the same way things expect you to know who Trump or Taylor Swift is.

I even watch a few 3D printer and maker YTers, but I guess not him.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by stavros »

haswell wrote: post #162
stavros wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah man I don't know, if the argument is "it's fine for Bambu not to make a trivial change to allow openness because I can set up a home Linux server that runs 24/7 with OpenVPN and iptables", I'll say this is the reason everything's closed now, because geeks like us didn't shout about it until the last of our hacked-together spit-and-duct-tape solution stopped working, by which point it was too late. I don't accept…

On the one hand, I agree with a lot of what you’re saying here. With that said, I don’t think it’s reasonable to describe setting up Tailscale as similar to “Linux server that runs 24/7 with OpenVPN and iptables”. Sure, you could go that route, but a Tailscale setup is extremely simple and lightweight. A raspberry pi is plenty if there isn’t already a system running 24/7. I personally have this set up on my router. I…

Given that you do need a machine that runs 24/7 to run Tailscale, I think it's very reasonable to describe it like that. Sure, maybe you can install it on your Windows machine, and figure out all the networking bits that will get it to talk to the printer, but for the average person that might as well be sorcery.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by fc417fc802 »

sh79 wrote: post #180
the_biot wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

What a shallow take. Activism isn't "drama". Maybe the problem is just that cynicism has rotted your frame of reference.

It isn't necessarily but I think it often qualifies. IMO (approximately) activism describes motivation while drama is a characteristic of an action. Thunberg for example is undoubtedly very dramatic.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by darkteflon »

sottol wrote: post #84
jchw wrote: post #66

I made the tragic mistake of getting a Bambu printer (an X1C, with AMS even...) right before they gave all of us the middle finger. I now have it offline, running out of date firmware, connected to a special WiFi network that is isolated from the Internet. That upset me, but now I'm pissed. Now I don't even care about their stupid printers. Now I'd like to waste Bambu Lab's time and cause problems for them. And also,…

Once you have a reliable printer, the workflow is mostly to slice -> send to printer -> wait and check on it every couple of hours until it's done ime. Imo it no longer super matters how much better the on-screen ui or webcam are. Mutli-color though is where Bambu has a good leg up. (Diluted) Vision Miner Nano Polymer Adhesive and a good bed leveling probe has done a lot to make my printer set and forget, no matter w…

Can anyone in the commentariat recommend a great, locally available adhesive in Japan? Vision Miner is import-only and pricey. I’ve been using glue-sticks but am ready to level up as I’m moving away from PLA.
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