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Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by sam345 »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #47
jfoworjf wrote: post #5

This story is the one that finally pushed me to leave google. I moved off my ~20 year old Google account and deleted everything off their services including almost a decade of Google photos. I cancelled my Google one subscription for extra space. I'm now self hosting what I can and paying proton mail for everything else. I refuse to allow a company that will hand over data at the request of an administrative warrant…

Migrating is such a good feeling. You don't have to do it all at once, either: I migrated to fastmail over the course of several years. Each time google did something that got my blood pressure up I went into my password manager and migrated another account. In aggregate it was a hassle, but these days I almost miss the feeling of being able to do something in response to stinky actions from google.

I don't think fastmail is going to help you. They are subject to legal requirements too and probably American jurisdiction also despite what their particular position is. https://www.fastmail.com/blog/fastmails-servers-are-in-the-u.... People love to hate Google but they're just doing what any corporation subject to law is going to do.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by WalterBright »

marcosdumay wrote: post #168
WalterBright wrote: post #72

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If you are invited to visit someone's home, and you go, and say nasty things to the homeowner, you'll be tossed out despite your right to free speech. If you're a guest in another country, act like a guest. When I was living on a military base in Germany, I and my family were required to behave as a guest of the Germans. The military was quite strict about that. I didn't have any issue with that. When I travel to ano…

Restricting the protest rights of non-citizens is an extremely heavy-handed policy. Yes, I know it's widespread, but it should really apply to non-residents. People that live and work in a country should have the right to protest.

They have a right to protest. They don't have a right to a visa. The State Department has broad authority to revoke visas.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by titanomachy »

Ardren wrote: post #191

> While ICE “requested” that Google not notify Thomas Johnson, the request was not enforceable or mandated by a court Sounds like Google stopped caring. But... Why on earth do the people filing an administrative subpoena not have to notify the interested parties too? Why is it Google's responsibility? If they didn't tell you, would you ever find out?

What do you mean? Eventually notifying him seems like the one thing Google did right here.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by mplanchard »

htx80nerd wrote: post #186
eaf7e281 wrote: post #45

I still don't understand. Who gave ICE such power, and who is ordering them to do all this? To me, ICE's actions are similar to those of a private army.

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a) The kids in cages garnered significant press, public sympathy, and protest

b) I also lived in Austin during that time, and the scale and militarization of current ICE action is on another level to what it was in the early 10's

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by FireBeyond »

eurleif wrote: post #104

The linked Google policy states: >We won’t give notice when legally prohibited under the terms of the request. The post states that his lawyer has reviewed the subpoena, but doesn't mention whether or not it contained a non-disclosure order. That's an important detail to address if the claim is that Google acted against its own policy.

Administrative subpoenas are tenuous at best, but in the absence of an actual court order, words from ICE attorneys or officers saying "You are ordered not to disclose the details of this subpoena" have no actual weight in law.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by advael »

It's insane to trust a company in the way you trust a person. Companies can change their terms of service, their policies, or even their entire ownership or leadership at any time. We have seen over and over again that companies are seldom held accountable for even explicit breaches of prior agreements unless there's either collective action or someone very powerful affected. The only way to trust a company not to leak your data is for them not to have it. The only way to trust a company not to break their product or exploit you with it is for this not to be possible.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by [deleted] »

rootusrootus wrote: post #122
dismalaf wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or not, immigration authorities (like the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency) have the power to enforce immigration laws. The author isn't American. Edit - wait until y'all find out other countries also have borders and laws...

Which immigration laws are they enforcing in this case? And are you also going to suggest that the Constitution does not protect foreign nationals inside the US?

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Post by fluidcruft »

jfoworjf wrote: post #99
busterarm wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's this account's only comment and was only created right before posting. It has no credibility.

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That puts some responsibility on you to provide more context for your comments as extra signals of authenticity.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by avazhi »

pesus wrote: post #117
avazhi wrote: post #40

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I find the idea of a non citizen protesting and causing social unrest diabolical. Most international students, (whether studying in the US or Europe or Australia or Malaysia or indeed anywhere else) understand that their visa does not grant them the same substantive rights that citizens of a country get. That’s as it should be. I couldn’t care less about a non citizen’s non existent free speech rights, nor would I ex…

There is nothing in the constitution limiting the 1st amendment to only citizens.

The US Constitution limits the legislature's ability to pass laws restricting speech. The Executive revoking a noncitizen's student visa does not breach that Constitutional protection.

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Post by FireBeyond »

yellow_postit wrote: post #198
pesus wrote: post #100

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Have you run into any serious complications doing that? I'm a bit worried that I've used my google account for so long and for many things that I might accidentally lock myself out of something important without it.

I use Fastmail and the main difference I notice is less effective spam filtering — it’s good but not as great as Gmail was. Overall it’s been an acceptable trade off and I’m glad years ago I switched to a custom domain for email so I can have portability.

Interesting, I have used Fastmail for probably a decade plus at this point, and whether it's my obsessive rating of false negatives and positives, it is amazingly rare that I get spam slip into my inbox (maybe one message a week from ~100/day received, while my spam folder gets about 10/day).
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