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Re: Migrating to the EU

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how about the OPPOSITE problem: _anyone knows of any non-EU AND non-US email providers_? with email accounts as the roots of trust for many things, i'd really wanna know how can I get a trustworthy one not-attached to eithern an unstable system (US), or a very overregulating one like the EU juristictions... and ofc, non-CN too

Singapore, Japan have reliable ISPs.

If the goal is to stay away from US or European influence then the Russians would be a better bet.

Re: Migrating to the EU

#202

I would add Hetzner for hosting. German based, solid in my experience with virtual servers.

In Germany, netcup (https://www.netcup.com/) is also quite popular among customers who are

- small or midsize companies, or

- "hacker-minded people" (I know quite some "hacker-minded people" who rent a server or vServer at netcup),

since they offer quite a bit of value for the money. In opposite to Hetzner, netcup is more of an inside tip.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, way to not read the thread. I'll repeat: EIO

So what? Can you point to a real example where this has been abused or are we discussing hypotheticals?

You can look at past ECHR decisions for countless cases of abuse by various national governments.

You can look at the history of EAW related litigation also, it'll probably prove most informative. Executing states used to constantly deny requests due to judicial review, rules were clarified to remove the possibility of judicial review by executing states.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This isn't a point against EU services compared to the US In the US the cops actually need a search warrant signed by a judge. In the EU they only sometimes need one. >Should we be moving to Singaporean services? Oh shit, similar concerns there Really? I've always been under the impression that it is courts who issue search warrants in Singapore, not the police or prosecutors.

Does ICE needs something?

Internal combustion engine? Hydrocarbons, I guess.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

How much is this a practical rather than theoretical problem? One of the problems with being on the US Internet is that we get lots of coverage of US police overreach and much less coverage of EU police overreach. That could have one of three causes: - actual incidence is low - it's not being reported - it is being reported, but doesn't generate discourse (And the counter option: sometimes when you do hear about it,…

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Re: Migrating to the EU

#206

> First, I tried mailbox.org, which I can generally recommend without reservation. Unfortunately, you can’t send emails from any address on your own domain without a workaround I use mailbox for a long time, one account for 2.50EUR/month with multiple custom domains and I can send emails from any address. To send from a different address the process didn't really seem different than other providers. From Thunderbird…

Hmmm this looks like a really nice option! Any issues with deliverability?

Re: Migrating to the EU

#207
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Codeberg is only for FOSS projects. Is there some good European hosting provider for git? I really don't want to self host git.

Uhm, is it? I have some small repos there, which are private and for my company (ie the website). I didn't encounter any warnings? Edit, it says indeed (right in your face on the front page): Codeberg is a non-profit, community-led effort that provides services to free and open-source projects, such as Git hosting. I just click... click opened a repo and set it as remote and boom. Never thought anything of it... Perh…

You are just a glitch in their system. They won't check the content of private repos, and they probably also do not check if there is free software hosted at the same account, so you might have found the hole in their good will.

But their limit seems around 100 MB storage-usage, so I guess it's within their abilities to tolerate some glitches.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…

His comment did not even mention the US. Only critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU. One of the issues with modern politics is everyone wants to deflect.

Re: Migrating to the EU

#209

> First, I tried mailbox.org, which I can generally recommend without reservation. Unfortunately, you can’t send emails from any address on your own domain without a workaround I use mailbox for a long time, one account for 2.50EUR/month with multiple custom domains and I can send emails from any address. To send from a different address the process didn't really seem different than other providers. From Thunderbird…

...also migrating AWAY from Fastmail (Australian) and TO an European provider sounds like a very bad idea - I'd kind of want both the US and the EU legally away from my coms at all costs (!)

Fastmail runs exclusively of AWS in the US.

I looked into this, there are lots of people in forums discussing/ asking for EU based servers.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least there is still the rule of law and democracy in the EU

The baseline level of freedom of speech in the EU, in particular, is much, much worse than in the US. We’re talking about a group of countries with active, enforced blasphemy laws! Completely unthinkable for Americans.

Boiling down the different approaches to freedom of speech to "The baseline level is higher/lower", has always been a pretty simplistic (and if you would actually delve into the topic a little, flat out wrong) view .

Freedom of speech is not absolute. Neither in Europe nor in the US. Both effectively have rules restricting certain speech. For example, speech that may harm others, such as inciting violence or maybe the most famous example: "Shouting FIRE in a full venue".

European countries tend to spell out these restrictions more explicitly. It's completely reasonable to disagree with these restrictions. But the simple existence of them shouldn't lead you to the conclusion that one is "more freedom of speech" than the other.

And at last I want to add, that that is how it's been historically. Sadly, the recent developments in US show pretty well how freedom of speech cannot be measured by "How many specific laws are there about things I cannot say?".

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