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US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by Gud »

gdulli wrote: post #134
lesuorac wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about the same guy that sent a second slate of electors for the 2020 election. The same guy that told the government of Georgia to add 10,000 votes to his total so he'd win. The same guy that received 0 punishment for either action. Why wouldn't he try something for the mid-terms?

Well he and his people are far too stupid and incompetent to have come close to succeeding. While it's not great that there was no punishment, we should at least be thankful that they act on emotion and can only loosely follow playbooks for corruption from the past rather than write new ones for modern times.

Yeah so stupid he managed to become president

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Post by bouncing_bolete »

epistasis wrote: post #60
VK-pro wrote: post #7

One of the self-owns of all time. Triggering a global supply chain crisis right before midterms is bottom of the barrel strategy. But then again, who expects competency from any recent American administration, most especially this one?

The Biden administration was actually extremely competent, handled global inflation after the pandemic and Russia's war fairly well relative to peer nations, and set US manufacturing on course to provide us with all the batteries, solar panels, and EVs to prevent oil crunches like this from causing future inflation. I expect more competency from US Presidential administrations, and also expect more competency and ind…

Bothsides-ism is such a plague. While I don't agree with everything you said, I feel like the pandemic response doesn't get enough credit. Everyone hated how the Biden admin responded in the moment, but looking back the US really came out ahead compared to almost everyone else

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by FireBeyond »

Jtsummers wrote: post #101
gzread wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard a theory that since someone told Trump that Ukraine wouldn't hold elections until after the war, he thought America had the same law.

He has lived through multiple wars where elections were held. I do not think highly of the man, but he would have to be pretty bad off to come to that belief.

Which "war"? While there are the current "debates" about whether this is a war, the US hasn't declared war on anybody since WW2.

> but he would have to be pretty bad off to come to that belief.

Well, did you hear that the dead are walking around with no arms and no legs because they were blown off? Trump said that, a few days ago.

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #191
miltonlost wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah... because Lincoln wasn't a wanna-be tyrant like Trump. The leaders in charge of the elections are diametrically different people. Lincoln fought to keep the Union together; Trump tried to cause a coup to stay in charge in Jan 2020. My god.

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This is just not thought through.

If I try to rob a bank with a plastic toy gun, the charge which I would be arrested for would not be "bad behavior that had no chance of accomplishing anything", it would be "bank robbery". Just "bank robbery", full stop. The abject failure of my attempt would have no bearing at all on that charge.

The argument that "he had no chance of accomplishing anything" has no bearing at all on intent.

"He didn't try" is not in any sense the same thing as "he was nowhere close to succeeding". The goalposts have moved between those 2 statements.

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Post by krapp »

Gud wrote: post #201
gdulli wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well he and his people are far too stupid and incompetent to have come close to succeeding. While it's not great that there was no punishment, we should at least be thankful that they act on emotion and can only loosely follow playbooks for corruption from the past rather than write new ones for modern times.

Yeah so stupid he managed to become president

Yes. He wasn't elected for his intellect, because Americans don't trust intellect. He was elected for his attitude and personality.

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Post by pbiggar »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #80
bootsmann wrote: post #6

Noone could’ve seen this coming, how were they supposed to know that the strait of hormuz is so important!

This is very much a 'you break it, you buy it' situation. The US should be running destroyer screens for convoys a la WW2 today , yet AFAIK the US fleet is sitting hundreds of miles out of the Persian Gulf, within bombing range, outside of easy strike range.

The US shouldnt be starting wars with countries, and bombing civilians, at all.

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Post by pbiggar »

moi2388 wrote: post #13

Only more reason to finally get rid of the current Iranian regime and any and all of their military capabilities.

Or we stop attacking sovereign countries simply because our allies (why are Israel our allies?) want to start wars.

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Post by coffeefirst »

toyg wrote: post #26
VK-pro wrote: post #7

One of the self-owns of all time. Triggering a global supply chain crisis right before midterms is bottom of the barrel strategy. But then again, who expects competency from any recent American administration, most especially this one?

These people live on manufacturing crisis after crisis in order to exploit the manic status that they generate. Why worry about how the midterms, if you can create a situation where elections cannot be held at all...? Yes, it sounds crazy right now, but a lot of things sounded similarly crazy 10 years ago, and here we are.

I really think this gives them too much credit.

They keep making the same mistake: underestimating that your adversary gets a vote, whether it's Iran, trade partners, colleges, Colbert, the Kennedy Center's audience, or Minneapolis.

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Post by malfist »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #121
skywhopper wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and Georgia refused. American elections are a lot more complicated than you seem to believe. There’s plenty to worry about in specific locations, but the federal government has no direct control over any of the voting processes or policies.

The Federal government has some direct control and lots of indirect control. Relevant right now is the horrible Save America act.

It doesn't. This is a power specifically granted to states. The Save America act is unconstitutional.
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