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Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by enaaem »

pu_pe wrote: post #67

One aspect of the AI bubble that is not talked about very much is how the European market is a key factor in any serious calculation about future revenue. If Europe decides to, or is forced to decouple its digital infrastructure from the US, that essentially slashes the addressable market of a company like chatGPT by a third. And Europe has some of the richest customers too. In other words, Sam Altman et al. should b…

It also destroys the winner takes all market. Investors would count on the winner takes all market and give infinite VC money to a start up, so that they would make a product that is slightly better than the competitor and kill the competition early on.

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Post by mark_l_watson »

Some degree of national pride and independence simply makes a lot of sense: slightly modified Linux distros set up for local information resources and banking, tuned open LLMs, local web site indexing and search, and parallel backup financial infrastructure.

I get that some of these things are difficult to do, but small steps lead to larger steps.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by padraic7a »

lnsru wrote: post #104
hermanzegerman wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the State of Schleswig Holstein is ditching Microsoft completely. But it's a difficult political uphill battle, because some Users won't change their habits and cry about it. The Minister shut this up with "Software is a decision by the employer, the employee has to accept it" Which then got blown up by the tabloid media, which ran BS Headlines like "OMG Courts and Police not working (because they're childish an…

You’re absolutely right. The benefit of being US independent has no value in the eyes of the large part of European population. The politician fighting for it is fighting uphill battle against mega corporation with endless lobbying budget and simultaneously digging a grave for the political career.

I don't believe that's true any longer. The U.S. moves over Greenland have a large part to play in this, but I think the sanctioning of the International Criminal Court is much more relevant.

Overnight ICC officials couldn't access email, documents etc, all because the U.S. government leaned on Microsoft. If they can do it to a United Nations court they can and will do it to anyone.

Spending money on a system you don't have any control over doesn't make sense. The public understand this.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by pydry »

ilikerashers wrote: post #194
rambojohnson wrote: post #171

Europe’s reading the room and building exits. They’re also cutting dependence on Visa/Mastercard because tying your payment rails to a declining, unstable empire is a bad long-term bet. Wero, the digital euro, local infrastructure, all of it points to the same thing: financial sovereignty matters when America looks more like a geopolitical liability. my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should…

Europe has just been catastrophically slow in developing anything related to it's own tech infrastructure. Its doesn't back itself. Given how poor it's responding to things like the Draghi report, I wouldn't anticipate success. Just more flailing around and working groups.

There are plenty of european hosts (e.g. hetzner) and with payments systems the technology is rarely the problem it's the politics. I imagine EPI will have no problem succeeding.

The major problem Europe has (mentioned in the draghi report) is with industrial competitiveness and strategy and access to cheap energy.

With the former it's not like the US is doing any better though. I dont think anybody in the west even has an industrial strategy.

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Post by lejalv »

jl6 wrote: post #90

The European sovereign tech trend isn’t exclusively a benefit to OSS. SAP must be anticipating a significant windfall of Oracle refugees.

Can proprietary software (SAP) be truly sovereign, though?

On the one hand, nothing stops SAP from behaving like Oracle for the sake of shareholder value. On the other hand, even SAP could be bought by Blackrock or Peter Thiel, and back to US dependence.

Am I missing something about SAP that precludes these scenarios?

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by bytehowl »

llm_nerd wrote: post #107
bradley13 wrote: post #80

That's great, but it's always just one agency, or one very local bit of government. If we (Europeans) really mean it - and we should - the top level of government just needs to make the declaration: as of X, all Microsoft licenses will be terminated. No exceptions. Adapt or die. According to the CLOUD act, the US government can demand access to data from US companies, regardless of where that data is stored. That mus…

>That must be unacceptable to any sovereign government The US recently doubled down on using US corporations as vehicles of coercion, sanctioning ICC judges for judging against Israel . https://www.state.gov/icc-sanctions This is beyond insane, and every American company causing grief for the staff of a criminal court in which every single civilized nation but the US and Israel (I guess I didn't have to add that but)…

>Taiwan recently re-engaged in diplomatic unification talks with China

That's news to me, got any good articles on the topic?

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by eXpl0it3r »

teekert wrote: post #147
eXpl0it3r wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OnlyOffice, Nextcloud OPffice, Collabora might all have free offerings to a degree, but you'll end up at the mercy of the companies behind those tools and OnlyOffice comes with Enterprise offering that does also cost money. Costing money isn't necessarily bad, but it's also hard to beat free & libre.

True. But I have to say that I got quite used to collaborative editing, not something I'd like to give up. People can get used to buttons moving to other places (imo), but collecting and integrating edits from multiple people via email is not something I look back at fondly.

Yeah, then again most people haven't experienced this and are happy to just enable "track changes" in Word and send the document back and forth, maybe if you're lucky, it's hosted on SharePoint or OneDrive.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by wiseowise »

llm_nerd wrote: post #107
bradley13 wrote: post #80

That's great, but it's always just one agency, or one very local bit of government. If we (Europeans) really mean it - and we should - the top level of government just needs to make the declaration: as of X, all Microsoft licenses will be terminated. No exceptions. Adapt or die. According to the CLOUD act, the US government can demand access to data from US companies, regardless of where that data is stored. That mus…

>That must be unacceptable to any sovereign government The US recently doubled down on using US corporations as vehicles of coercion, sanctioning ICC judges for judging against Israel . https://www.state.gov/icc-sanctions This is beyond insane, and every American company causing grief for the staff of a criminal court in which every single civilized nation but the US and Israel (I guess I didn't have to add that but)…

> But I guess the US has the pathetic joke of the Board of Peace, or their close allies El Salvador and new puppet state Venezuela. What a disgrace.

You forgot Trumps best butt-buddy: Putin.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by mghackerlady »

999900000999 wrote: post #13

The entire American software industry will feel the ramifications here. Gotta stay polite for HN. No data stored on an American server is secure. I really really do like Open Suse though, and I think an open source future is possible. Open Suse, Libre Office, etc.

SUSE and its children in openSUSE are freaking awesome. The tumbleweed release is the most stable rolling release ever, they have slowroll if you want something even more stable, and leap for basically a free version of SLE. Genuinely surprised that SLES hasn't overtaken redhat

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by lewisjoe »

bradley13 wrote: post #80

That's great, but it's always just one agency, or one very local bit of government. If we (Europeans) really mean it - and we should - the top level of government just needs to make the declaration: as of X, all Microsoft licenses will be terminated. No exceptions. Adapt or die. According to the CLOUD act, the US government can demand access to data from US companies, regardless of where that data is stored. That mus…

It honestly doesn't make any sense. Interestingly, India was bold enough to move its government infra to Zoho's office suite cutting all reliance on Microsoft. It's only sane that other countries do the same.
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