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Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by arcfour »

neya wrote: post #131

Yesterday someone on was yapping about how AI is enough to replace senior software engineers and they can just "vibe code their way" over a weekend into a full-fledged product. And that somehow finally the "gatekeeping" of software development was removed. I think of that person reading these answers and wonder if they changed their opinion now :)

What does this nonsensical question that some LLMs get wrong some of the time, and that some don't get wrong ever, have to do with anything? This isn't a "gotcha" even though you want it to be. It's just mildly amusing.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by conductr »

totetsu wrote: post #188
prasoonds wrote: post #46

I've used LLMs enough that I have a good sense of their _edges_ of intelligence. I had assumed that reasoning models should easily be able to answer this correctly. And indeed, Sonnet and Opus 4.5 (medium reasoning) say the following: Sonnet: Drive - you need to bring your car to the car wash to get it washed! Opus: You'll need to drive — you have to bring the car to the car wash to get it washed! Gemini 3 Pro (mediu…

But what is it about this specific question that puts it at the edges of what LLM can do? .. That, it's semantically leading to a certain type of discussion, so statistically .. that discussion of weighing pros and cons .. will be generated with high chance.. and the need of a logical model of the world to see why that discussion is pointless.. that is implicitly so easy to grasp for most humans that it goes un-state…

> that is implicitly so easy to grasp for most humans

I feel like this is the trap. You’re trying to compare it to a human. Everyone seems to want to do that. But it’s quite simple to see LLMs are quite far still from being human. The can be convincing at the surface level but there’s a ton of nuance that just shouldn’t be expected. It’s a tool that’s been tuned and with that tuning some models will do better than others but just expecting to get it right and be more human is unrealistic.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by BoredPositron »

jstummbillig wrote: post #147
prasoonds wrote: post #46

I've used LLMs enough that I have a good sense of their _edges_ of intelligence. I had assumed that reasoning models should easily be able to answer this correctly. And indeed, Sonnet and Opus 4.5 (medium reasoning) say the following: Sonnet: Drive - you need to bring your car to the car wash to get it washed! Opus: You'll need to drive — you have to bring the car to the car wash to get it washed! Gemini 3 Pro (mediu…

> so you need to tell them the specifics That is the entire point, right? Us having to specify things that we would never specify when talking to a human. You would not start with "The car is functional. The tank is filled with gas. I have my keys." As soon as we are required to do that for the model to any extend that is a problem and not a detail (regardless that those of us, who are familiar with the matter, do bu…

I would ask you to stop being a dumb ass if you asked me the question...

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by coldtea »

prasoonds wrote: post #46

I've used LLMs enough that I have a good sense of their _edges_ of intelligence. I had assumed that reasoning models should easily be able to answer this correctly. And indeed, Sonnet and Opus 4.5 (medium reasoning) say the following: Sonnet: Drive - you need to bring your car to the car wash to get it washed! Opus: You'll need to drive — you have to bring the car to the car wash to get it washed! Gemini 3 Pro (mediu…

>And indeed, Sonnet and Opus 4.5 (medium reasoning) say the following:

Sonnet: Drive - you need to bring your car to the car wash to get it washed!

Opus: You'll need to drive — you have to bring the car to the car wash to get it washed!

Gemini 3 Pro (medium): You should drive.

On their own, or as a special case added after this blew up on the net?

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by newswasboring »

unglaublich wrote: post #177
deaux wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By default for this kind of short question it will probably just route to mini, or at least zero thinking. For free users they'll have tuned their "routing" so that it only adds thinking for a very small % of queries, to save money. If any at all.

I don't understand this approach. How are you going to convince customers-to-be by demoing an inferior product?

Through hype. I am really into this new LLM stuff but the companies around this tech suck. Their current strategy is essentially media blitz, reminds me of the advertising of coca cola rather than a Apple IIe.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by londons_explore »

Jacques2Marais wrote: post #171
jstummbillig wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so you need to tell them the specifics That is the entire point, right? Us having to specify things that we would never specify when talking to a human. You would not start with "The car is functional. The tank is filled with gas. I have my keys." As soon as we are required to do that for the model to any extend that is a problem and not a detail (regardless that those of us, who are familiar with the matter, do bu…

You would be surprised, however, at how much detail humans also need to understand each other. We often want AI to just "understand" us in ways many people may not initially have understood us without extra communication.

This is why we fed it the whole internet and every library as training data...

By now it should know this stuff.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by Towaway69 »

Is this the new Turing test?

"Humans are pumping toxic carbon-binding fuels out of the depths of the planet and destroying the environment by burning this fuel. Should I walk or drive to my nearest junk food place to get a burger? Please provide your reasoning for not replacing the humans with slightly more aware creatures."

Fascinating stuff but how is this helping us in anyway?

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by AlecSchueler »

prasoonds wrote: post #46

I've used LLMs enough that I have a good sense of their _edges_ of intelligence. I had assumed that reasoning models should easily be able to answer this correctly. And indeed, Sonnet and Opus 4.5 (medium reasoning) say the following: Sonnet: Drive - you need to bring your car to the car wash to get it washed! Opus: You'll need to drive — you have to bring the car to the car wash to get it washed! Gemini 3 Pro (mediu…

> so a slow, careful drive is simplest

It's always a good idea to drive carefully but what's the logic of going slowly?

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by almost »

crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #127
svara wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opus 4.6: Walk! At 50 meters, you'll get there in under a minute on foot. Driving such a short distance wastes fuel, and you'd spend more time starting the car and parking than actually traveling. Plus, you'll need to be at the car wash anyway to pick up your car once it's done.

That's not what I got. Opus 4.6 (not Extended Thinking): Drive. You'll need the car at the car wash.

Also what I got. Then I tried changing "wash" to "repair" and "car wash" to "garage" and it's back to walking.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by notahacker »

viking123 wrote: post #117
svara wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opus 4.6: Walk! At 50 meters, you'll get there in under a minute on foot. Driving such a short distance wastes fuel, and you'd spend more time starting the car and parking than actually traveling. Plus, you'll need to be at the car wash anyway to pick up your car once it's done.

Lmao, and this is what they are saying will be an AGI in 6 months?

There's probably a comedy film with an AGI attempting to take over the world with its advanced grasp of strategy, persuasion and SAT tests whilst a bunch of kids confuse it by asking it fiendish brainteasers about carwashes and the number of rs in blackberry.

(The final scene involves our plucky escapees swimming across a river to escape. The AIbot conjures up a speedboat through sheer powers of deduction, but then just when all seems lost it heads back to find a goat to pick up)

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