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Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by throw02783894 »

LightBug1 wrote: post #169
appreciatorBus wrote: post #57

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Those are all very small numbers in the context of the actual electorates, and supports the claim that it is the same small group of activists obsessed over Israel, and not a widespread “community” concern.

Get real. Even the US right and much of MAGA hate Israel now. Not because they love Palestine, but because they hate Israel sucking away US taxpayer money to slaughter women and children and bring them nothing but hassle. Frankly, watching Israel has been the closest we've come to having a petri dish to understand how Nazi'ism developed and rose. I have a better understanding now of how the Hitler Youth developed, an…

It’s actually easy to understand how Nazism developed by watching those who are demonizing and dehumanzing an entire nation, exaggerating their crimes, and claiming that they are taking all our money and drinking the blood of children etc.

You don’t need a petri dish. The next season in the series is already here.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by tracker1 »

unleaded wrote: post #189
unleaded wrote: post #162

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it literally is though that's why i'm confused. you pay a flat monthly fee and get a box that runs linux. yes you might not be able to press one button and Effortlessly Deploy Your AI-Managed SaaS Infrastructure Product To Valued Customers Across The Metaverse or whatever vercel does but it only takes a couple hours to learn how to setup nginx node rsync and cloudflare (and even then i think there's some easier close…

also developing an app is something you need to be quite tech savvy to do anyway. genuinely are there really people who have the skill and patience to do that and then get stumped trying to deploy it? clearly there are since stuff like this is so popular I just don't really understand

I think the free/cheap tier is what gets people kind of hooked... it's really easy to setup something like Dokku self-hosted and run a few dozen apps on a decent rented server... Even then, there's something appealing about not having to even worry about it. Why bother setting up your own server(s) and databases when you can run in Cloudflare workers with CockroachLabs or Turso?

Even with my own server, I've explored the option(s) just to avoid potential pain down the road regarding excess load.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by tracker1 »

kstrauser wrote: post #194
acejam wrote: post #105

450 million pageviews on Vercel = $46,000 450 million pageviews on a single 16c/32t OVH box with nginx and a 3 Gbps connection = $245

Having someone on-call 24/7 to keep that $245 box running: $400K.

Yeah... lol, because cloud setups never fall over. Ever.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by anarticle »

prodigycorp wrote: post #14

What would this have costed had they used render or railway? Maybe, what, $200 a month? Vercel's pricing is so ridiculously convoluted that you can't even cleanly compare usage. With render/railway/(insert provider of choice) you can at least predict that you're your biggest cost is going to be egress. edit: I just saw that it gets 450m pageviews. I'm guessing on the upper end this costs ~$1k with railway + cloudflar…

I don't think cost is the dominating concern here.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by tracker1 »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #150
edflsafoiewq wrote: post #146

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What is that noise actually? It's clearly not JPEG artifacts. Is it dithering from converting from a higher bitdepth source? There do appear to be very subtle gradients.

Not even the white is pure. There are at least #FFFFFD, #FFFFFB and #FEFEFE pixels sprinkled all over the #FFFFFF.

If it's large enough for say 2x or more "retina" usage... a very minor soften filter, then color reduction to get well under 256 colors (often can do 32-64) quantization and oxipng w/ zopfli can go a long way... just getting down to a palette over rgb for png brings down sizes a lot... palette reduction to around 32 colors does a bit too. Just depends on the material.

That said, the actual size of this image is massive compared to where it needs to be, and looking at it, should definitely be able to quantize down to 32-64 colors and reduce the size to even 4x the render size... let alone just using svg, as others have mentioned.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by tracker1 »

__jonas wrote: post #116
lexh wrote: post #79

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Isn’t part of Vercel’s value proposition a robust global CDN in front? Seems quite a bit different than one sweaty VM in Helsinki.

Genuine question: How is that a value proposition when Cloudflare offers a CDN for free with unlimited bandwidth, that you could just put in front of the sweaty VM in Helsinki? Not trying to be obtuse, I really don't get how other providers can compete with that, I can't imagine Vercel's CDN is so significantly superior to make it worth it.

For that matter, the entire site could be in a Cloudflare worker with all the content in R2 (no egress fees, just storage). Likely to barely exceed the $5 baseline price for a paid account. (not sure on the storage costs, but likely well under $100/mo)

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by [deleted] »

ndneighbor wrote: post #145
ramoz wrote: post #134

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Every single mentioned service is either an AWS or GCP abstraction.

Angelo from Railway here, Railway runs our own metal for the sheer reason to preserve margins so we can run for perpetuity. We're nuts for studying failure at the company and Heroku's margins was one of the things we considered to be one of the many nails in that coffin. (RIP) (my rant here: https://blog.railway.com/p/heroku-walked-railway-run )

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Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by LightBug1 »

throw02783894 wrote: post #201
LightBug1 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get real. Even the US right and much of MAGA hate Israel now. Not because they love Palestine, but because they hate Israel sucking away US taxpayer money to slaughter women and children and bring them nothing but hassle. Frankly, watching Israel has been the closest we've come to having a petri dish to understand how Nazi'ism developed and rose. I have a better understanding now of how the Hitler Youth developed, an…

It’s actually easy to understand how Nazism developed by watching those who are demonizing and dehumanzing an entire nation, exaggerating their crimes, and claiming that they are taking all our money and drinking the blood of children etc. You don’t need a petri dish. The next season in the series is already here.

Oh come on ... the same wankers who want to see the end of Israel are the exact mirror reflection of those Israeli's currently pushing for a "one state solution" (read: "and we'll enact a final solution genocide them to make it happen").

The only difference is the Israeli's wear a suit and pretend to represent democracy as they suck US taxpayers of their earnings.

Be honest. I am.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by Scoundreller »

Lalabadie wrote: post #178
guywithahat wrote: post #96

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It's also dumb because the original interaction happened on X https://x.com/rauchg/status/2020984434338693622 Say what you want about Elon but X is where all the investors and tech execs are. Nobody is going to sign up for threads because they saw it link to a picture in a HN post

X links are also very limited today, and logged out visitors wouldn't see any reply to the tweet.

Change x.com to xcancel.com, has never failed me

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Post by coolThingsFirst »

scubadude wrote: post #175
Anonyneko wrote: post #101

Why is everyone using Vercel and the likes anyway? Setting up a VPS with Node takes ten minutes and is miles cheaper. And it's not like you never have to debug issues with serverless configurations, which can even occasionally be harder to debug because of their proprietary natures.

>Why is everyone using Vercel and the likes anyway? Because you literally connect to a git repo and your site is deployed, and scales with load. Compared to managing a VM, system and application packages, config, backups and then how do you scale that? I have what is basically a demo running on Vercel free tier, there's no way I'm maintaining a VM for that lol. If I had a serious site, same. If I had a team, then the…

I really do think that paying for convenience is a good business model. No one is forcing anyone to use it.
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