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Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by array_key_first »

Analemma_ wrote: post #86
ultrarunner wrote: post #70

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My brother bought a Tesla recently. They dicked him around with delivery, and he had to pay a ton to get charging infrastructure installed at his house, but it's fast so he's happy. On a recent visit, he finally showed me the car, and it was hilarious how janky the final product is. Everything seems cobbled together-- a good example is that there's apparently two separate voice assistants (plus his phone) and none of…

I have a 2022 Model 3, and the hilariously tragic part is that the voice assistant was great and basically never gave me any problems until they shoved Grok into it, whereupon it broke completely. I never use it anymore, they effectively removed a feature from my car.

This is part of the reason why I believe cars should delegate as much software functionality to your phone as possible. Phones have good voice assistants and they will get better, same with GPS and music. Just let the phone do it. Plus, when the software is out of support you don't have to buy a new car.

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Post by wilg »

amluto wrote: post #103
Analemma_ wrote: post #86

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I have a 2022 Model 3, and the hilariously tragic part is that the voice assistant was great and basically never gave me any problems until they shoved Grok into it, whereupon it broke completely. I never use it anymore, they effectively removed a feature from my car.

Whoa, did Tesla pull an Apple? Siri used to work okay on the iPhone, but once it got LLMed it frequently sits there indefinitely while failing to make any progress on even the simplest commands.

Apple did an even worse job than you think: they didn't even LLM Siri so I guess it just broke.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by solid_fuel »

lallysingh wrote: post #133
api wrote: post #22

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Consumer robotics strikes me as an engineering tar pit so deep it leads to hell. If full self driving is hard due to the long tail of unusual special cases, this is orders of magnitude worse. Take FSD but multiply the number of actuators and degrees of freedom by at least 10, more like 100. Add a third dimension. Add direct physical interaction with complex objects. Add pets and children. Add toys on the floor. Add r…

If a robot can do basic cleaning, laundry, and dishes, that's worth a lot to a lot of people. Dual-professional households have the money, and not having to do this housework could save some marriages.

> Dual-professional households have the money, and not having to do this housework could save some marriages.

Dual-professional households could hire a maid and pay for marriage counseling and still save money compared to a $20k robot plus whatever a subscription would run.

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Post by Qwertious »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #195
cratermoon wrote: post #185

Will Tesla be remembered as the DeLorean of the 2020s, or more like the Edsel?

Almost certainly neither.

The DeLorean was a stupidly-expensive car that had a lot of maintenance problems, decided to use an unpainted stainless steel exterior and had corrosion issues as a result, but is remembered despite all of this engineering mediocrity due to its unusual stylistic choices.

I'm guessing Tesla's cybertruck will be the DeLorean of the 2020s.

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Post by XorNot »

asadotzler wrote: post #169
loosescrews wrote: post #130

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Yes, and the reality is that any of those would require a fairly large constellation of satellites. I guess the play is that many large constellations of satellites will be launched.

Not really. That's only the case for LEO sats. Going up higher gets you hemispheric coverage with a single bird.

You wouldn't like the latency on the internet connection. And this isn't even theoretical: it's why LEO constellations were a big deal.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

rchaud wrote: post #97
TacoCommander wrote: post #35

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The end game is the SpaceX IPO which will make him a trillionaire, and then he doesn't need Tesla any more.

Regular IPOs usually have commitments from pension funds, mutual funds, private equity firms and other institutional investors secured in advance of going public. How many of those parties would be interested considering that SpaceX really only has one main customer whose business isn't guaranteed considering his political partisanship?

Their main customer is Starlink and it will continue to be cash printing machine.

Their second customer is the Federal government and SpaceX has a monopoly on cheap reliable fast launch services that will overcome most politics. Even EU companies and Amazon and OneWeb have been forced to use them because there is no better option.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by tacon »

yurishimo wrote: post #155
sigio wrote: post #132

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I think in (most of) europe, most of the safety-related features are mandatory on all new cars these days, so all these features must come on all trim levels. This does make the base model a lot more expensive then a few years back, but you get all the nice features, so that also makes them cheaper in general.

Plus people who buy cars are eating all the depreciation. I’ll glad buy your 2024 Corolla in 2032.

Are you sure about that? The sustainable operation of modern cars is in doubt, from very specialized parts and fully integrated modules, to critical software that will not be updated, to dealer keying required for most every substitute part, the era of anyone being able to run cars for 200,000 miles long after the warranty is over will soon be in the history books.

Re: Tesla is committing automotive suicide

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Post by octorian »

jjice wrote: post #20
z2 wrote: post #7

Tesla also announced they will be discontinuing the basic lane keep + adaptive speed cruise control they helped pioneer in cars sold going forward. But this is now a standard (free) feature even in basic vehicles like the Toyota Corolla. Why would they intentionally cripple their vehicles to the point hat they would be inferior to most cars today? Then I learned that Musk's incentive pay has a 10 million full self-dr…

I have a newer Corolla that's pretty much the absolute floor of the base model (LE with I believe minimal packages) and it has all the technology one would expect now, all while having physical buttons where it matters. Lane assist and adaptive cruise control are table stakes now.

I'm very happy that the "base model" of cars now has a lot of the modern tech. Not because I'd personally buy a base model, but because its what you get whenever you travel and need to rent something.

In the past, when traveling, I'd be shocked at just how bare the rental cars were compared to my normal home experience. Fortunately that's no longer the case.

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