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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by AlotOfReading »

jen20 wrote: post #91
piva00 wrote: post #15

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If you want to live in polluted areas there are plenty of places available on Earth for that, I believe most people would rather not. Low emissions zones are mostly in very densely populated areas where the impact of pollution is higher, not sure why you consider that a scourge. Could you expand on why?

> Could you expand on why? Perhaps I'm a plumber going to work on a house in a LEZ? Perhaps I need to deliver something? Perhaps deliver to the airport (!) inside the LEZ. There are all kinds of reasons why someone might need to take a van into an LEZ, if you think for more than about quarter a second. This is primarily a reason why you shouldn't drive a vehicle from the 1970s, as the article suggests, and why LEZs n…

Every emission zone regulation I'm familiar with distinguishes between private and commercial vehicles for exactly this reason. The French zones for example divide vehicles into categories. Private vehicles are set a base category/range, and commercial restrictions are usually the next category looser.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by Aurornis »

hedgehog wrote: post #191
soared wrote: post #135

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Agreed - check out for example a Toyota rav4 le. This is the base model with effectively zero modern “subscription-esque” fancy features. It’s got a touchscreen and power windows, but otherwise it’s all the reliability/etc of Toyota and that’s it. About half the price of what most rav4s are listed at and $20k+ cheaper than a 4Runner.

Oh no, across the line Toyota still tries to sell you a subscription service that's required for things like remote start.

So? Why would people buying the cheapest possible model care?

Remote start is a luxury feature. Just ignore the subscription offer like a luxury trim option.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by ttoinou »

thelastgallon wrote: post #123

The French seem to be very thoughtful people who solved multiple pesky problems permanently: 1) Guillotine for the super rich 2) Nuclear to power >70% 3) C15 for people, cows, craftsmen, mini house 4) TGV 5) french fries for the fastest carbohydrate delivery, handily beating rice I wish they bring back the first 3 and do some shorts, market them to the world. Fries are doing fine.

Right now french people are obsessed with ecology and egalitarianism. Those who don't are not well seen in society, or left the country already.

So the best thing I'd see them excelling at in this century, if they can drive their ideology in the right direction, would be producing low-tech solutions solving 90% of problems with 20% of the costs, with open-source like tools / materials / methods everyone can replicate easily. A bit like this article about this old car.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by seabrookmx »

ExpertAdvisor01 wrote: post #118

How casually people here are ignoring NOx and especially PM2.5. It has no DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter). You are emitting more than 200 times the amount of pm2.5 than a modern diesel. source: https://www.nanoparticles.ch/archive/2011_May_PR.pdf https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-20-02-oa-0081 Also this car has only has 60hp.

It's also unsafe. He's comparing it to a modern Ranger, not the Ranger of the same year as the C15 (which was much smaller and got better fuel economy), and he completely ignores the fact that the Citroen wasn't sold in North America.

He seems to imply there would be no appetite for one here but I disagree. In western Canada I see imported Kei trucks everywhere and these fill a similar niche!

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by kube-system »

benregenspan wrote: post #200
hn8726 wrote: post #187

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> The Ford Ranger actually sells better in Europe than it does in the US. And the larger F series trucks sell more than an order of magnitude more. Do you have any sources for this? I looked online and found a couple of charts, none of them support this claim. The Ford Ranger sales in Europe vs US are similar (who buys more varies by year) but the F series seems to be mostly bought in US

I think they meant it has much larger % share of pickup market in Europe vs US, not necessarily higher absolute number of sales ( https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2025/02... )

For the most recent year numbers were published it also had better raw numbers.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by Fischgericht »

I can confirm all of the findings.

My first car I got in Germany was a C15. I used it to transport server racks, but also had a mattress in the back and had my first sex on it. On muddy festivals where others cars got stuck, I was able to get out easily. Repairs were dirt cheap. It also had a tow bar, and was able to pull a 1.5 metric ton trailer to get equipment to a computer party.

And I still was able to do 160 km/h (100 MPH) with it on the Autobahn. With or without server racks, with or without sex.

Best car I ever had.

It is really insane that these days cars on average weigh 25-40 times of their load. Human stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by Aurornis »

tanjtanjtanj wrote: post #192
jfengel wrote: post #138

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I wonder how much of that is due to dealers, who want to upsell. Do they even keep the base model in stock, or does it have to be special ordered (or today, we can give you a "discount" on the fancy model that still has a higher profit margin for us). I'm just speculating; the same reasoning wouldn't apply to the iPhone mini. But car dealers have a lot of incentive to skew the results. It takes a fair bit of willpowe…

Just as an anecdote - When I was buying my last car I went in and asked for just the base model with nothing added onto it, ie not even the "eXtra Special" designations, and the dealership said they probably won't have any for a long time and if I'd like to pay 50% more for one with some features added on. I declined and kept looking at the inventory of the 4-5 dealerships nearest to me. For six months they never had…

> and the dealership said they probably won't have any for a long time

In my case, I told the dealerships I was okay with waiting up to two years to get the exact trim I wanted. I told them whichever dealership could get me an allocation first got the sale. Then I literally stood up to leave.

And like magic, they went to the computer and found the exact trim I wanted and got my allocation a month out. I was extremely picky on color and options, though. If I had been flexible on color it would have been sooner.

The sales people at dealerships will pressure you into upsells. They’re not going to turn down an easy sale if you demonstrate that you know what you’re doing. They were trying to upsell you.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by jeron »

kube-system wrote: post #157

> The Ford Ranger (2020). One of the most popular pickups in the US. A key selling point is that the cabin is so high you can run over toddlers without even noticing. The craziest thing about this criticism is that it is phrased as hyperbole but the reality is that this is seen as a small truck in the US. The Ford Ranger actually is the best selling pickup truck in Europe for 10 straight years, but doesn’t sell as mu…

I'm probably one of the few people in this thread who are actually truck shopping right now

The ranger is a great option for most people but one of my capabilities for the truck is to bring my bike to motorcycle track days. Usually I'd only take a single motorcycle, however track days are more fun with friends. to fit two motorcycles in the back of the Ranger, you need to adjust the angle of the handlebars awkwardly to fit both on the bed.[0]

that leaves only the bigger 1500 class trucks as options for me, and why I'm going with an F150

[0]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmegARwXN7Q

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by burnt-resistor »

yurishimo wrote: post #150
isodev wrote: post #141

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Yup, French fries are Belgian. Also - it's important to cook them twice, otherwise it's just McDonalds and not real French fries.

Tbf McDonalds is also double fried, just the first time happens before they are flash frozen and sent to the restaurant.

Sysco does or used to sell a french fry that was indistinguishable from McDonald's when cooked similarly. They had a catalog that visualized lined up individual representative french fries.
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