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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by [deleted] »

wrigby wrote: post #119
_3u10 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But whatever you want Toyota has a 10k truck and a jimmy is 15k, if you need a car a vitz can be had for 12k

This comment shines a spotlight on my issues with the US auto market. None of these vehicles are sold in the US, for a variety of reasons - both economic and regulatory. I hate knowing that the vehicles I want to buy both exist and are affordable, but I just can’t have them. Meanwhile, the cars sold in my market are all egregiously enormous, have giant screens inside, etc. This is the very definition of a “first worl…

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by Arodex »

thelastgallon wrote: post #123

The French seem to be very thoughtful people who solved multiple pesky problems permanently: 1) Guillotine for the super rich 2) Nuclear to power >70% 3) C15 for people, cows, craftsmen, mini house 4) TGV 5) french fries for the fastest carbohydrate delivery, handily beating rice I wish they bring back the first 3 and do some shorts, market them to the world. Fries are doing fine.

The guillotine wasn't for the super rich, but for the privileged by birth. The equivalent would be to guillotine the nepo babies (and the Ivy League administrators who rubber stamp their admission).

Or fix inheritance. And by fix I mean tax as hell.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by jfengel »

eeeficus wrote: post #125
thelastgallon wrote: post #123

The French seem to be very thoughtful people who solved multiple pesky problems permanently: 1) Guillotine for the super rich 2) Nuclear to power >70% 3) C15 for people, cows, craftsmen, mini house 4) TGV 5) french fries for the fastest carbohydrate delivery, handily beating rice I wish they bring back the first 3 and do some shorts, market them to the world. Fries are doing fine.

French fries is not a french invention AFAIK but belgian!

There is considerable argument over it.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by tazjin »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #107
wiseowise wrote: post #69

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> Then you buy a new sensor and put it in, just like you would any other failed part. In the middle of nowhere?

If you're driving to the middle of nowhere you carry spares and tools. Source: live in Scotland, frequently drive to the middle of nowhere in a Range Rover.

Haha, how far is the middle of nowhere from the nearest town in Scotland? A few dozen kilometres?

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by soared »

Aurornis wrote: post #128
KronisLV wrote: post #19

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> The C15 represents a time when a vehicle was a tool. I feel vehicles want to turn into a subscription service these days. I wonder how differently cars would be built, if instead of maximizing for value extraction and crap nobody needs, they instead were optimized for utility and maintenance (and sure, fuel economy, aerodynamics and some sane environmental stuff). Like take the C15 and add 2-4 decades of manufactur…

> I wonder how differently cars would be built, if instead of maximizing for value extraction and crap nobody needs, they instead were optimized for utility and maintenance (and sure, fuel economy, aerodynamics and some sane environmental stuff). Auto manufacturers already have stripped-down base models of their entry-level vehicles. Many have commercial versions of their vehicles, especially trucks and vans, that ar…

Agreed - check out for example a Toyota rav4 le. This is the base model with effectively zero modern “subscription-esque” fancy features. It’s got a touchscreen and power windows, but otherwise it’s all the reliability/etc of Toyota and that’s it. About half the price of what most rav4s are listed at and $20k+ cheaper than a 4Runner.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by bilkow »

carlosjobim wrote: post #100
barbazoo wrote: post #95

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> Would you like to live neighbours with this person, or share communal facilities with him? Sure why not? Because they made that comment? It’s not that they buy trucks because they are much taller than a short person but they still are. I’d rather not live next to the person with the dangerous truck.

If you can read people, you know a person like this is going to be constantly invading your privacy, inventing conflicts and complaining. Probably trying to make you join in his vendetta against some neighbour, and if you decline he will make a vendetta behind your back against you. These kind of people are so easy to spot once you have some experience.

Are you saying that the author engaging in online activism and presenting very common criticisms of SUVs in a sarcastic way somehow implies they're bad neighbors?

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by jfengel »

Aurornis wrote: post #128
KronisLV wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The C15 represents a time when a vehicle was a tool. I feel vehicles want to turn into a subscription service these days. I wonder how differently cars would be built, if instead of maximizing for value extraction and crap nobody needs, they instead were optimized for utility and maintenance (and sure, fuel economy, aerodynamics and some sane environmental stuff). Like take the C15 and add 2-4 decades of manufactur…

> I wonder how differently cars would be built, if instead of maximizing for value extraction and crap nobody needs, they instead were optimized for utility and maintenance (and sure, fuel economy, aerodynamics and some sane environmental stuff). Auto manufacturers already have stripped-down base models of their entry-level vehicles. Many have commercial versions of their vehicles, especially trucks and vans, that ar…

I wonder how much of that is due to dealers, who want to upsell. Do they even keep the base model in stock, or does it have to be special ordered (or today, we can give you a "discount" on the fancy model that still has a higher profit margin for us).

I'm just speculating; the same reasoning wouldn't apply to the iPhone mini. But car dealers have a lot of incentive to skew the results. It takes a fair bit of willpower to say "I am buying this specific car I want and will go elsewhere if I can't have it."

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by soared »

wrigby wrote: post #110
everdrive wrote: post #89

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And if people would make one that wasn't an iPad on wheels I'd be in line to buy.

This is my exact same sentiment. I’m cautiously excited about the upcoming Slate Pickup[1] - I can see it being my go-to if I leave NYC, but it still won’t hit like the XJ Cherokee I drove before I gave up cars for the city. 1: https://www.slate.auto/

I like the idea of a slate but the truck bed just makes no sense at that size. I don’t understand why it’s not defaulted to another row of seats or hatchback, with the option to convert to truck. 5 ft bed without extension is kind of pointless as a bed, but huge as a trunk.
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