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Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Condemning the 7/Oct attacks as an unacceptable act of terrorism is "being a mouthpiece of Hamas"!!! Fucking _disgusting_, and many stronger words I'm trying my best to contain. We're reaching levels of wretchedness that I've never thought possible. Truly no shame anymore.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-expe...

This is her statement essentially saying Israel bombed a hospital that we now know as close to a fact as we can, that they did not and that in fact it was a palestinian rocket that fell on the hospital.

But lets say we can't know that for a fact.

She was still parroting Hamas's line without any ability to validate the statement.

This statement amongst many demonstrates that UN "Experts" have zero credibility in the statements they make.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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post #153

Never use a banking app on a phone especially since internet banking websites exist.

Most of them switched to stupid apps described above. 6 to 8 char passwords, 6 char PIN codes etc. I don't know how they pass security audits , unless the audits are merely a protection tax .

don't have the issue here in central europe, yet

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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post #54

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A bank refusing you access because of your accessibility settings (app overlay is one) is not reasonable.

The problem (for the bank) is they are now liable in the UK[1] if you are defrauded because someone installs malware on the phone. There's basically zero upside for the bank to allow customers to use F-Droid, since probably 0.0001% of their customers would do this, compared to a vastly greater number of customers being tricked into installing random malware on their phones. Accessibility settings are a tricky one sin…

From the bbc article, the number of fraud rose 12%, and you're presuming 0.0001% would be using F-Droid. Is preventing that an efficient ("reasonable") action from the bank ?

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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post #50

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A bank refusing you access because of your accessibility settings (app overlay is one) is not reasonable.

risk management is all about what the bank is willing to trust. in this case it decided it was risky because have any information on the provenance of your overlay, but you could source an overlay from somewhere they trust, like the default app store.

The bank wouldn't (hopefully ※) do that if it was illegal or technically too complex. Letting the bank decide is fundamentally problematic IMHO.

※ I'm aware expecting HSBC to follow the law would be extremely naive given their track record.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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post #170

That's Google's SafeNet. HSBC picked a level that causes this. Google manages the blacklist of apps. We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it. People in Switzerland and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD. The US has started to sancti…

> We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies which companies? google? I'm the first to blame them for almost anything, but how about Postfinance, twint, health insurers, landlords, all those companies you mention? shouldn't they offer ways to do business with them that does not involve some third party? - for example, OP mentions that hsbc website still works for them on android, this is more t…

> Everyone goes to the "simplest" target - Google in this case - to blame for the status quo, but Google is in this position because everybody else

Eh, I think we ought to dole out our ire in accordance with the damage. All are responsible to varying degrees, but Google is the most powerful, and has the greatest ability to curb bad behavior if they wanted to, so they get and deserve the most blame second only to the governments that let them become that powerful.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Do you think US pressure is behind the push for online censorship across the West? It seems to be a coordinated effort in many countries, whatever it is.

Of course it is. Trump is actively trying to censor LGBTQ events and DEI at European companies, they will get blacklisted from selling anything to the US federal government.

The US government should not be promoting racist DEI policies and particular lifestyles (much less deviant sexual interests) so I'm in favor of that. I'm not in favor of actual censorship.

More to the point, Trump is not (obviously) making all these countries and the EU demolish online privacy protections. There are laws constantly proposed all over the world to wreck free speech and privacy.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Condemning the 7/Oct attacks as an unacceptable act of terrorism is "being a mouthpiece of Hamas"!!! Fucking _disgusting_, and many stronger words I'm trying my best to contain. We're reaching levels of wretchedness that I've never thought possible. Truly no shame anymore.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-expe... This is her statement essentially saying Israel bombed a hospital that we now know as close to a fact as we can, that they did not and that in fact it was a palestinian rocket that fell on the hospital. But lets say we can't know that for a fact. She was still parroting Hamas's line without any ability to validate the statement. This statement amongst ma…

So just to clarify, do you think it's bad to bomb hospitals or not?

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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That doesn't sound like "the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure" at all, it sounds like EU banks or de-banking US residents/citizens, which is wildly different from the initial claim, or how I understood it at least. I thought EU residents/citizens were being cut off from EU banks.

The reason banks do this is that if they don't comply with US tax laws they'll be cut off from all US-based banking systems including international payments (universally conducted in USD), cut off from issuing any credit or debit cards (they are all US-based networks) and the CEO will be arrested if he ever steps foot on American soil. So basically, the US is forcing them to do this and they don't have a choice unles…

yes, but that's not de-banking. it's banking being shitty.

(it's the same problem as healthcare and construction, a shitton of regulation, some competition, but no real big differences, and a lot of global dependencies [from generic pharma producers to HVAC/heatpumps and global commodity prices for construction materials and patents and prefab systems and ...], but ultimately local bottlenecks.)

obviously it sucks that FATCA compliance is hard, but it shouldn't be, and ... it's on the banking industry that it's not using some kind of common reporting backend ... oh wait, it does! (CRS!)

(okay, I'm being probably unfair here, of course it's still more work, more support requests, more papers to push, than the counterfactual, but banks already have their reporting systems integrated to the various tax and financial-authority agencies) ... and FATCA is implemented in part through intergovernmental agreements (IGAs), and the "model 1" is a reciprocal tax info sharing between the parties, the bank reports to the local tax service, and that's it.

see also https://www.deloitte.com/us/en/services/tax/articles/common-...

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-expe... This is her statement essentially saying Israel bombed a hospital that we now know as close to a fact as we can, that they did not and that in fact it was a palestinian rocket that fell on the hospital. But lets say we can't know that for a fact. She was still parroting Hamas's line without any ability to validate the statement. This statement amongst ma…

So just to clarify, do you think it's bad to bomb hospitals or not?

yes, it's bad to bomb hospitals, but before you go all gotcha, war is bad in general, that doesn't mean war is always wrong or evil and what occurs in war is always evil or wrong. If the enemy is using a hospital as cover to fire at you, it's bad that one has to perform attacks that put it at risk, but its not evil.

We know for as close to a fact that we can get that gazan hospitals were used as cover. (bbc, nytimes et al reported from under hospitals in places that Hamas used for shelter and stored weapons and equipment)

But what is especially evil, is accusing people wrongly when you knowingly accuse them when you know you have no ability to validate your accusation. Which is clearly the case with the accusations launched against Israel in regards to the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion.

But to many people it doesn't matter, to paraphrase the word they made about on the Colbert Report, it's all about "truthiness", one doesn't really care if this thing is true or not, the fact that it feels true and fits with one's general perception of what's true or not and good or not, is all that matters.

I even might go a step further, those who accuse someone knowingly that they don't know the truth, bare moral culpability for bad thing the person they accuse does is the future.

It's human nature for someone accused of bad things falsely to simply not care in the future. "I tried my best to do right, but they falsely accused me, I am simply not going to put as much effort into doing right in the future, as it doesn't matter".

Personally, I disagree with that sentiment, and is very much part of my internal criticism at somethings that have occurred, but I also think its a very human reaction and therefore while it doesn't excuse those who do wrong because they simply don't care anymore and doesn't reduce their blame, it also places moral culpability on those who made the knowingly false accusations. Much like if I would falsely tell someone that "So and So killed your kid" knowing that it would make them go crazy and take revenge.

Life is complicated, and human reactions to the complications of life are complicated. But when an outsider inserts themselves into a complicated situation and presents lies about it in the name of "doing good", they might very much be evil.

Or to put it a bit differently, if one believes that that Bush Administration members were evil for spreading lies that led to the Iraq Invasion, why is Francesa Albanese and her cohort fundamentally different. Why are their lies better and more justified?

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