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HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

#11

probably because bitwarden has a permission to overlay other apps and HSBC thinks it's malware stealing your access to your bank

The HSBC app will not work with apps with overlay permission OR with apps installed from outside the Play Store.

I have stopped using the HSBC app and asked for a security device (which they will send you if asked) instead and use the web site instead.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

#12
post #7

It will not work either if you have developer mode enabled. These things HSBC app does, I think it's overreaching

> It will not work either if you have developer mode enabled.

Many other banking apps in Singapore have this ridiculous restriction too, including Citibank.

The third-party "security framework" most of them use to pass audits is ridiculous.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

#13
post #3

probably because bitwarden has a permission to overlay other apps and HSBC thinks it's malware stealing your access to your bank

I think from HSBC's risk management perspective, it's fairly reasonable

A bank refusing you access because of your accessibility settings (app overlay is one) is not reasonable.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

#14

I thought Google removed the API that let you see other apps on the device. Maybe there's another API I'm not aware of though

You can still request permission to use it for apps distributed via Google Play for a limited set of use cases:

https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...

which is then subject to Google reviewing and approving it.

I assume HSBC are using the "antivirus" use case.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

#15
Ditch apps on your phone and pick banking that gives good, robust online banking. I was cut off by Starling for something similar and had to choose between a factory reset of my phone and my bank. I explained that my phone had free software on it, some of which I'd written, and it made no difference.

Apps are a tool of control and surveillance and it is time we stopped tying ourselves to them. Dumb phones or degoogled operating systems (like e/OS/) are probably the answer here.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

#17
My wife has tried to use a flip phone just for nostalgia's sake and she has a newer phone that supports android 14 (technically android go 14) and thus should work with most basic apps. However, one of her banking apps refuses to work claiming an app is screensharing (the POSB bank app thankfully identifies it as the "android system" app.) likely what is occuring I think is the second screen is drawn using some sort of thing that is reported as screen sharing, that POSB thinks could be malware.

Of course, asking POSB for help has lead to nothing being done. By and large the biggest threat to people finance wise in singapore isn't malware but are scams (what is called "pig butchering" in America is rampant here) whilst malware is always a threat sometimes I feel like just refusing to function is problem due to overzealous viligiance to a low probability threat.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

#18
Plenty of UK banks that don't require this, and whose apps will also work on a rooted device. Monzo will display a warning that sets out the fact there's an increased risk, and then lets you be an adult and choose to continue to use the app if that's what you want to do.

The best part is that the Current Account Switching Service makes it very easy to make the jump from a legacy bank like HSBC.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

#20

That's Google's SafeNet. HSBC picked a level that causes this. Google manages the blacklist of apps. We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it. People in Switzerland and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD. The US has started to sancti…

> and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD

What is this about? I'm a EU citizen, never heard about any EU citizen getting removed from any EU bank because of USD. Nor have I heard anyone being sanctioned by the US in the EU unless they're Russia-related somehow. Is there any link to a story about this?

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