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Modern cars are spying on you. Here's what you can do about it

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If you can be prosecuted for guessing urls you can be prosecuted for sending garbage data in a way you know will be uploaded to a remote system.

You think criminalizing guessing URLs is unreasonable. What about guessing passwords? Should someone be prosecuted for just trying to bruteforce them until one works?

How do I know which URLs of a website are legal to visit and which are illegal?

Re: Modern cars are spying on you. Here's what you can do about it

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I went to Carvana to get some idea on what my car might be worth. I gave them the license plate, and it gave me a questionnaire about specific trim and options along with asking about the current mileage. I couldn't remember the exact figure so I guessed rounded to the thousand. The app complained and wouldn't take it as they knew the mileage which was some 150ish miles more. Apparently my car has reported the mileag…

So why did they have you fill in that field then?

For the same reason the IRS makes you fill out how much you made last year. They know—they know to the penny. But making you fill it out is a humiliation exercise so they can "catch you out" and intimidate you.

Well in the case of the IRS, that, and you know, Intuit.

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Nothing you can realistically do about it. In America car ownership for most people is mandatory. It’s unfortunate we don’t have alternatives if you disagree with car manufacturers extra “features”.

On the other hand, it is not mandatory to vote for politicians who continue to make our cities car centric.

You are not doing anything wrong if you are forced into buying a car due to the circumstances of your living. But voting to continue that makes your culpable.

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A data scientist will simply filter out impossible data when conducting an analysis

you give a lot of credit to an industry poisoned by the profit motive

Just make sure you are criticizing the industry on things that are real. Accurate data collection (put not necessarily publication to a broad audience) is something industry does. Decision makers want to understand reality, they don't necessarily want you to though.

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My device. I generate whatever the fuck the data I want. If you log it, kiss my ass.

If you paid for a device it doesn't mean you have no rules set up on how you can operate it. I'm sure the is an EULA you agreed to. As anecdote, while buying a new car I signed a statement that I'm not going to resell it to russia.

And you think it is all fine and dandy?

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No, that's not correct. The eCall spec requires self-checks that include registering with the network on at least every ignition. However, more importantly, it means you can't lawfully disable the modem that the manufacturer uses for its own telemetry.

Are you sure about that? My understanding was that the eCall self test does not connect to a network. That’s stated on the eCall page linked above. Do you have a source that contradicts that?

Yes, I am sure.

Annex VII only rules out connecting to the PSAP/112 side, not routine network attaches. To detect faults in the “means of communication”, the IVS has to verify that the SIM, baseband and RF path are actually usable, and you can’t test that without a network attach.

In practice that’s what all current eCall implementations do. The modem attaches to the cellular network at each ignition so it can confirm it’s capable of placing an eCall. If you block the modem or antenna, the IVS fails its self-test and the vehicle is no longer roadworthy.

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Oh man. Logging insane average speeds and ludicrous acceleration during rush hour. Deliciously tempting idea.

A data scientist will simply filter out impossible data when conducting an analysis

That’s why you make this as popular as possible

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Remove the antennas. Do not give in to the mirage of convenience. Use a stand alone generic GPS. Vehicle GPS devices are anti privacy for so many reasons. Listen to stored music from an SD card if terrestrial radio (NO SATELLITE). Did you know almost ALL late model cars can play a TURN YOUR PHONE OFF. Your phone does more than track you - the Bluetooth and wifi beacon scanners are always running. When you come across…

No, I will use all this stuff and do so gladly.

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The ADAS systems mandated in Europe are insanely intrusive. I had a few rental cars in Europe this summer and wanted to send them off a cliff. (and I'm not an auto tech luddite, I've had modern cars in the US with autopilot type systems, lane keep, blind spot warning, rear traffic assist radar, forward collision warning, etc. IMO rear traffic assist/FCW/AEB tend to work really well, autopilot pretty well, and lane ke…

“Lane keep” yanks the wheel dangerously because it incorrectly detects the lane, or because you don’t indicate to pass a pothole on an empty road (which itself would be confusing to other road users) Forward collision warning has misfired on 2 occasions on me in the last 3 years The main issue is that so many cars have broken “auto dipping” headlights which don’t dip, or matrix headlights which don’t pick out other c…

parking beepers -- that do not go off immediately when you start a parked car

Re: Modern cars are spying on you. Here's what you can do about it

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Over half of New York City households are car-free. That jumps to 3/4 in Manhattan. Millions of American households don’t have a car, but you rarely hear about it as a viable option.

"the best public transit in the densest US city barely manages to reach 50% of car-free lifestyle" is what you're leaving out.

A household not having a car is a much higher benchmark than being able to live a car free lifestyle.

It’s common for people to own a car and not use it for weeks, months, or in some cases years at a time.

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