Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .
As a professional iOS app publisher, I feel 15% is fair.
Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
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Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Other than capital what prevents a new player entering the smartphone market? In the US Apple is at ~50% market share and Samsung ~30%. These are not colluding entities so there must be enough theoretical freedom to create a smartphone that claims significant market share.
Microsoft, Amazon and Meta have plenty of “capital” and they couldn’t create their own ecosystem for their own phone and convince software developers. The hardware is not really an issue. Any company with a few million can sell their own phone and get a Chinese ODM to customize it for them and white label it. Outside of Apple and Samsung (only because they make a lot of their own parts), the phone market is a commodi…
Amazon, Meta and Microsoft tried their hand at making competitive devices and enter the market, to varying degrees of effort but practically identical degrees of failure. All this to say, it takes a lot more than just capital.
Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not seeing how other phones are being held back by any of this. Google and Samsung have design patents, too, and my Pixel Watch also has a blood oxygen sensor.
All phones aren't equivalent, we agree on that right? Apple has legitimate hardware advantages in places. Faster more energy efficient chips. Better earbuds. Various camera components with various advantages. So on and so forth. All of the minor improvements Apple has made will have patents behind them. All of these patents hold all other phone manufactuers back. Yes, all the other phone manufacturers also have paten…
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can Google it yourself. There are tons of studies showing a decline in technology literacy among younger generations (Z and alpha). Millennials were the peak. This shows that younger kids aren’t using traditional PCs, at least not to the same degree. They just use phones and tablets. At best they may play games on their PC by installing via Steam. Very few of them are becoming proper technologists (able to instal…
No shit. That's completely different from what you claimed, though, which was specifically that people were giving up PCs to become smartphone users because they appreciated the lack of choice that smartphones gave them. The phenomenon you're talking about now is so completely in another universe that it's insane you would conflate the two. I actually can't finish typing this response properly because it's hurting my…
You think smartphones give people fewer choices?
Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
#205I find headlines like this much more appropriate when placed in terms of days of revenue: "Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near 2 days of revenue!" For somebody that makes the median income, of about $50k, this is a fine of $273 for years of largescale systematic abusive behavior, done for profit.
Yeah it’s good. Probably should be both days of revenue and days of profit to account for low profit margin companies.
Or % of market cap would also be good.
Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
#206I find headlines like this much more appropriate when placed in terms of days of revenue: "Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near 2 days of revenue!" For somebody that makes the median income, of about $50k, this is a fine of $273 for years of largescale systematic abusive behavior, done for profit.
That's not really a meaningful comparison, either. If you assume every engineer makes ~300K at Apple, perhaps a more meaningful comparison is "Apple loses ~7K engineers for 1 year", which seems a bit more than a slap on the wrist as you are suggesting.
Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
#207interesting I suspect the UK uses the same Regan Era definition of monopolistic practice as the US, meaning monopoly is fine so long as prices seen by consumers are low (or rather not provably raised)
You mean Circuit Court judge Robert Bork's "consumer welfare" standard?
He's the genius behind that.
The same Robert Bork whose SCOTUS nomination got held up by the Senate in a deluge of fire and fury, only for Antonin Scalia to get the job and make the same kind of rulings much more articulately.
Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
#208I find headlines like this much more appropriate when placed in terms of days of revenue: "Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near 2 days of revenue!" For somebody that makes the median income, of about $50k, this is a fine of $273 for years of largescale systematic abusive behavior, done for profit.
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Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
#209Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .
> The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something.
1. I didn't know iPhones are free. Or iPads. Or Macs. Or Apple developer program
2. Apple could just... not host apps or provide payment services, and allow people to install apps from alternatives and let devs use other payment systems
Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can Google it yourself. There are tons of studies showing a decline in technology literacy among younger generations (Z and alpha). Millennials were the peak. This shows that younger kids aren’t using traditional PCs, at least not to the same degree. They just use phones and tablets. At best they may play games on their PC by installing via Steam. Very few of them are becoming proper technologists (able to instal…
No shit. That's completely different from what you claimed, though, which was specifically that people were giving up PCs to become smartphone users because they appreciated the lack of choice that smartphones gave them. The phenomenon you're talking about now is so completely in another universe that it's insane you would conflate the two. I actually can't finish typing this response properly because it's hurting my…
Do you think smartphones would be ubiquitous today if they had the malware situation that plagued Windows XP?