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Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by PlotCitizen »

array_key_first wrote: post #180
PlotCitizen wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Internet does not work in Spain when there are football matches. There's a distinction between the above statement and the truth, which is that CloudFlare and other large CDNs do not work in Spain when there are football matches. Yes, it's not CloudFlare's fault in this instance, since I believe CloudFlare is not being notified to take action in real time. The blocking needs to happen quickly to block access to ill…

I think moving away from cloudflare is not a solution because: 1. You need CDNs for reasonable web performance, especially on mobile. Hitting your dedicated server for every static asset like images is going to bring latency through the roof. 2. Many companies don't have a physical presence in Europe, but are still able to achieve adequate performance because of CDNs. 3. If everyone just moves off of cloudflare, the…

I totally agree with point number 2. Even point number 1 is reasonable. But there are many CDNs you could use, perhaps smaller ones, perhaps some that do not offer their services to streaming websites, which is arguably the reason for the blocking.

Ultimately point number 3 is a prediction. I could see that happening, but I am not convinced it's set in stone that the blocking would just increase. And even if that happens, and even bigger ranges are blocked, and even more stuff breaks, perhaps more people will start to notice and put an end to this, to CloudFlare's delight.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by PeterStuer »

ahtihn wrote: post #143
jamiecurle wrote: post #121

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The escape hatch with all personal data processing is "legitimate interest". Consent is a big part of it, but an industry with sufficiently deep legal pockets would likely go down the route of "legitimate interest" if cornered. I'm not a legal professional. I just work next to this stuff.

That's not what legitimate interest is supposed to mean though. Legitimate interest is about collection of data necessary to operate your service. Listening to detect if someone in a user's surrounding is showing a match without license has nothing to do with the function of the application. There's no legitimate interest there.

It is perverted. Legitimate Interest includes hovering up all your data and shuffle it of to 100+ data brokers who 'legitimately' are interested in that data.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by PeterStuer »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #139
bilekas wrote: post #117

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Are we sure ? I'm not disputing it, but is geo location alone as a data point covered GDPR ? I'll have to look that up, but as someone else said it's only enforced at EU member state level, however there is another central oversight to ensure it's enforced.

Not if you have no possible way to identify the person to whom it is related (this includes server logs etc). Theoretically, an event sent to a server with some GPS co-ordinates, with no metadata and no logs stored on the server at all could perhaps be found not to be personally identifiable. This is almost certainly a thought experiment though, the amount of engineering effort required to ensure no logs of any kind…

You realize it is an app on a phone, so the customer is always known, right?

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by distances »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #131
distances wrote: post #124

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> - Bars, pubs and other public establishments have to pay around 200€/month in order to show football on their TVs while the household package goes between 10 and 30€/month. This is common in Europe in general, also for copyrighted music. If your establishment wants to play recorded music, even just playing the radio or Spotify on the background, a copyright royalty fee has to be paid. Applies to all venues and even…

is it different from turning on radio?

Applies to radio. If a taxi driver plays music from a car radio to customers, the royalty fee has to be paid.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by EIREXE »

charcircuit wrote: post #144

>they randomly ban cloudflare IP ranges. It's not random. Many pirate sites use Cloudflare and Cloudflare does not do a good enough job of taking them down which enables pirating of the sport broadcast. Routing your game traffic through a CDN is not normal anyways.

The game traffic is a drop in the water compared to the website itself, it's mostly there for leaderboards, the web frontend and game backend are compiled into a monolithic native executable.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by cobbaut »

Aurornis wrote: post #129
distances wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Bars, pubs and other public establishments have to pay around 200€/month in order to show football on their TVs while the household package goes between 10 and 30€/month. This is common in Europe in general, also for copyrighted music. If your establishment wants to play recorded music, even just playing the radio or Spotify on the background, a copyright royalty fee has to be paid. Applies to all venues and even…

This is common in many countries around the world. I’m sure the prices have gone up since that comment, but 200€/month actually seems very reasonable for a commercial bar that shows sporting events. That’s let’s than 7€/day and would be more than covered by the first group of people walking in the door and buying a round of drinks. I don’t approve of the microphone activation spying stuff or the ridiculous internet b…

> That’s let’s than 7€/day

There is no daily Spanish football.

There are also things like 'interland breaks' or vacation periods when there is no football for two or more consecutive weeks, but the fee still needs to be payed.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by d1sxeyes »

PeterStuer wrote: post #203
d1sxeyes wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you have no possible way to identify the person to whom it is related (this includes server logs etc). Theoretically, an event sent to a server with some GPS co-ordinates, with no metadata and no logs stored on the server at all could perhaps be found not to be personally identifiable. This is almost certainly a thought experiment though, the amount of engineering effort required to ensure no logs of any kind…

You realize it is an app on a phone, so the customer is always known, right?

I don’t really understand this comment. What do you mean that the customer “is always known”? To whom? How?

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by Hendrikto »

wobfan wrote: post #53
Hendrikto wrote: post #6

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> they have split the football game rights among different competitors, so that if you want to watch every game you have to spend >100€ monthly Same in Germany. > newest generations aren't giving a shit anymore about football Also the same in Germany. But I am not sure which direction the causality goes. Maybe people are less interested in football because of the shenanigans they are constantly pulling. Or maybe they…

> Same in Germany. That's not right. Still expensive, but the dual abo for Sky Bundesliga + DAZN is 65€ per month.[1] 1 https://www.sky.de/pakete-produkte/sky-dazn

That’s not enough. You also need Prime and RTL+.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by maverwa »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #197
gpderetta wrote: post #136

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Italy.

Both countries are soccer addicts, funny

I am somewhat surprised (and happy) germany is not in on it already. There are already (afaik voluntary) block lists ISPs are applying, but I am surprised its not breaking things on a similar scale to italy and spain, an that the DFB isn't already piping /dev/urandom-domains into it...

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by raxxorraxor »

distances wrote: post #124
dabeeeenster wrote: post #65

Related (7 years ago): https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8q1j0o/la_liga_uses... - Bars, pubs and other public establishments have to pay around 200€/month in order to show football on their TVs while the household package goes between 10 and 30€/month. - The official app, with over 10 million downloads, asks you for microphone and GPS permissions. - La Liga remotely activates the microphone and tries to detect…

> - Bars, pubs and other public establishments have to pay around 200€/month in order to show football on their TVs while the household package goes between 10 and 30€/month. This is common in Europe in general, also for copyrighted music. If your establishment wants to play recorded music, even just playing the radio or Spotify on the background, a copyright royalty fee has to be paid. Applies to all venues and even…

I think the outrage should be directed at an app secretly recording everything to look for "pirated content".
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