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Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by rdtsc »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #195
SoftTalker wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily. Broadcasters have a license from the government to use the airwaves and they are obligated to act in the public interest. So some restrictions apply to them.

That's not what the public interest requirement means. In fact, the FCC's own website says "the public interest is best served by permitting free expression of views."[0] And anyway, there are specific carve outs for late-night programming. [0] https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/fcc-and-speech

However the same website they describes the exceptions and limits:

https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/public-and-broadcasting#JOUR...

> Hoaxes. The broadcast by a station of false information concerning a crime or catastrophe violates the FCC's rules if:

> The station licensee knew that the information was false

There quite a few other rules, obscenity and violence and such. But they probably got Jimmy on the crime that was just committed + spreading false information.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by yieldcrv »

nerdponx wrote: post #36
Aeolun wrote: post #10

What about what he said was so controversial? It seems entirely in line with everything else I’ve seen happen on these kinds of shows.

It wasn't controversial, but this is literally the textbook Manufacturing Consent model. The small number of people in positions of power at the network are either overtly aligned with the president that he just talked bad about, or want to stay or get on the president's good side. He doesn't even need to pick up the phone or post anything on social media, they know what they need to do.

I think most commenters are missing that a local broadcaster monopoly used their own freedom of association to drop the show

The FCC and Trump merely dogpiled on this

For Disney, they need to court the broadcaster monopoly as a key stakeholder to their revenue, this is all private sector and not a constitutional issue

But when Disney is getting kicked and then an expensive fight with the government looms while their revenue is already threatened and would be expensive to resolve with the government , they buckled

Thats the calculus here

but because they buckled, now their customers are using their own freedom of association to disassociate, hampering Disney’s revenue more from that angle

Press F to Pay Respects

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by someguyiguess »

nerdponx wrote: post #33
ethagnawl wrote: post #4

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It's possible but I think Hanlon's Razor is more likely. I saw this happen myself and the form submission was successful on the second attempt. I just don't think they had the capacity to handle this surge of traffic to this endpoint/service.

I've often advocated for inverting Hanlon's razor whenever money is involved. The more money is at stake, the more likely it is in fact due to malice.

I have to agree. When money is involved I defer to Occam’s Razor.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by 8note »

thierrydamiba wrote: post #47
AndyKelley wrote: post #16

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It can be a mixture of both. It's extremely easy to Cover Your Ass while intentionally dragging your feet when a bug works in your favor. The manager simply has to decide that other tasks are higher priority.

Call it HN’s rule: Never attribute to incompetence what can be attributed to malice

my first manager told my as i started my first oncall "we dont think anybody actually cares about this thing, so if it breaks, dont fix it too quickly, so we can see who notices"

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by rdtsc »

rfrey wrote: post #193
rdtsc wrote: post #171

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As it turns out the government can dictate how the broadcast frequencies are used, including dictate things about the content. The company could have switched to online only and continued the show. Heck, they should have called uncle sam's bluff maybe and see what happened. They are not sending Jimmy to gulag or arresting him. Jimmy can still continue his show just maybe on his own youtube channel or his own online p…

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Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by [deleted] »

vkou wrote: post #41
rogerrogerr wrote: post #18

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Not so much offensive, as utterly puzzling given the information we had on him by Monday night. Not a fan of Trump or Jimmy, and I don’t think this is a proportional or good response. I’m pretty stunned that there was actually momentum enough to take him off the air. I also don’t understand why he left that little dig in his monologue.

> I’m pretty stunned that there was actually momentum enough to take him off the air. Have you not been paying attention to where rhetoric in this country has gone in the past 8 months? The first amendment is dead, the great leader is publically calling for his critics to lose their broadcast licenses, and the new SOP is for the government to squeeze the shit out of anyone who doesn't toe the line. (Which is an ever-…

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Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by happyopossum »

dralley wrote: post #187
stazz1 wrote: post #175

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It was a political assassination done by someone who vehemently disagreed with certain viewpoints. The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. Kimmel's comments were grossly inaccurate and wildly irresponsible.

Which is known now, but was absolutely not known at the time. There was so, so much complete BS being spread during those 24-48 hours.

This happened Monday - not last Friday. All of this was known.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by Cheer2171 »

bluGill wrote: post #125
Cheer2171 wrote: post #55

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FCC chair literally said "We can do this the easy way or the hard way" the easy way being ABC cancelling it, the hard way being pulling the license. And if you wait for the license to be pulled as your red line, you misunderstand how this works. This is an actual threat, the kind of thing that mobsters get RICO charges for. The threat has done its work and served the purposes of the administration. The crime has alre…

Anyone can say anything. Follow through and abc can just ignore the order and tell everyone watching what is happening. They have the power of the pen and will get people running to their congressman. they blinked so we will never know.

> Anyone can say anything.

This is illegal: "Nice business you've got here," the police officer says. "Shame that crime is on the rise. And we don't have as many officers to patrol. But give a donation and we'll take care of you. Don't and we'll stop answering your 911 calls."

Now replace with "We heard what you said about the mayor. Apologize or we'll stop answering your 911 calls."

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Post by pseudalopex »

al_borland wrote: post #179
superultra wrote: post #160

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He did not say that the kid was MAGA, or at least not exactly. Here’s all he said about it: > We hit some new lows over the weekend, with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. > In between the finger pointing there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at…

> with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? It heavily implies that he is maga, and that’s why the maga gang is trying to deflect. A lot of conclusions were jumped to early on by everyone. Things are more clear now, but still not 100%. From what I’ve seen so far he…

> Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not?

No.

> It heavily implies that he is maga

No.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by apparent »

pseudalopex wrote: post #209
al_borland wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? It heavily implies that he is maga, and that’s why the maga gang is trying to deflect. A lot of conclusions were jumped to early on by everyone. Things are more clear now, but still not 100%. From what I’ve seen so far he…

> Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? No. > It heavily implies that he is maga No.

Why would someone have to "desperately try to characterize" someone as something that they clearly are? To me, that language is clearly indicating that it is somehow difficult to do. At that time, it was fairly apparent that he was not MAGA, at least not in any remotely common sense of the word.
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