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Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Post by GuB-42 »

anon1395 wrote: post #164
forgotoldacc wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 2020s, subscriptions don't preclude showing ads. Companies will milk money in as many ways as they can

(Netflix as an example)

And cable companies, and magazines. This is not something from the 2020s, it is a centuries old thing.

But these are entertainment. For all the time advertising has been present, work tools have been relatively immune. I don't remember seeing ads in IDE for instance, and while magazines had ads, technical documents didn't. I have never seen electronic components datasheets pitching for measuring equipment and soldering irons for instance.

That's why I don't expect Anthropic to go with ads it they follow the path they seem to have taken, like coding agents. People using these tools are likely to react very badly to ads, if there is some space to put ads in the first place, and these are also the kind of people who can spend $100/month on a subscription, way more than what ads will get you.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Post by erikerikson »

Tistron wrote: post #197
ankit219 wrote: post #37

The difference is implementation comes down to business goals more than anything. There is a clear directionality for ChatGPT. At some point they will monetize by ads and affiliate links. Their memory implementation is aimed at creating a user profile. Claude's memory implementation feels more oriented towards the long term goal of accessing abstractions and past interactions. It's very close to how humans access mem…

Why would their way of handling memory for conversations have much to do with how they will analyse your user profile for ads? They have access to all your history either way and can use that to figure out what products to recommend, or ads to display, no?

It's about weaving the ads into the LLM responses overly and more subtly.

There's the ads that come before the movie and then the ads that are part of the dialog, involved in the action, and so on. Apple features heavily in movies and TV series when people are using a computer, for example. There's payments for car models to be the one that's driven in chase scenes. There's even payments for characters to present the struggles that form core pain points that that specific products are category leaders to solve.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Post by [deleted] »

forgotoldacc wrote: post #153
GuB-42 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic seems to want to make you buy a subscription, not show you ads. ChatGPT seems to be more popular to those who don't want to pay, and they are therefore more likely to rely on ads.

In the 2020s, subscriptions don't preclude showing ads. Companies will milk money in as many ways as they can

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Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Post by _heimdall »

devnullbrain wrote: post #163
ankit219 wrote: post #37

The difference is implementation comes down to business goals more than anything. There is a clear directionality for ChatGPT. At some point they will monetize by ads and affiliate links. Their memory implementation is aimed at creating a user profile. Claude's memory implementation feels more oriented towards the long term goal of accessing abstractions and past interactions. It's very close to how humans access mem…

The elephant in the room is that AGI doesn't need ads to make revenue but a new Google does. The words aren't matching with the actions.

The bigger elephant in the room is that LLMs will never be AGI, even by the purely economic definition many LLM companies use.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Post by rkomorn »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #188
rkomorn wrote: post #182

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This leaves me somewhere between surprised and shocked.

Maybe you shouldn't be. The ad-hating paranoid HN user is not representative of the general population. Probably the exact opposite, in fact. My wife and mother love ads, they are always on the hunt for the latest good deals and love discount shopping. When I tried to remove the ads on their computers or in the postal mail, they protested. I think they are far more representative of the general population.

People opting for "free with ads" makes sense.

It's the "pay but still get ads" thing that gets me, but I guess some people just want to pay the bare minimum.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

ankit219 wrote: post #37

The difference is implementation comes down to business goals more than anything. There is a clear directionality for ChatGPT. At some point they will monetize by ads and affiliate links. Their memory implementation is aimed at creating a user profile. Claude's memory implementation feels more oriented towards the long term goal of accessing abstractions and past interactions. It's very close to how humans access mem…

> At some point they will monetize by ads and affiliate links.

I couldn't agree more. Enshittifcation has to eat one of these corporation's models. Most likely it will be the corp with the most strings attached to growth (MSFT, FB)

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Post by everybodyknows »

vexna wrote: post #165
almosthere wrote: post #136

ChatGPT memory seems weird to me. It knows the company I work at and pretty much our entire stack - but when I go to view it's stored memories none of that is written anywhere.

ChatGPT has 2 types of memory: The “explicit” memory you tell it to remember (sometimes triggers when it thinks you say something important) and the global/project level automated memory that are stored as embeddings. The explicit memory is what you see in the memory section of the UI and is pretty much injected directly into the system prompt. The global embeddings memory is accessed via runtime vector search. Sadly…

How does the "Start New Chat" button modulate or select between the two types of memory you describe?

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

shloked wrote: post #144
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny, I can't get ChatGPT to remember basic things at all. I'm using it to learn a language (I tried many AI tutors and just raw ChatGPT was the best by far) and I constantly have to tell it to speak slowly. I will tell it to remember this as a rule and to do this for all our conversations but it literally can't remember that. It's strange. There are other things too.

Have you tried creating a separate project for language learning and adding your preferences to project instructions?

I'm using the web interface and have it in it's own conversation. I assume the app would be the same thing but maybe it will be better.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Post by lucideer »

devnullbrain wrote: post #163
ankit219 wrote: post #37

The difference is implementation comes down to business goals more than anything. There is a clear directionality for ChatGPT. At some point they will monetize by ads and affiliate links. Their memory implementation is aimed at creating a user profile. Claude's memory implementation feels more oriented towards the long term goal of accessing abstractions and past interactions. It's very close to how humans access mem…

The elephant in the room is that AGI doesn't need ads to make revenue but a new Google does. The words aren't matching with the actions.

To reword the downvoted sibling commenter's intended point:

> The elephant in the room is that AGI doesn't need ads to make revenue

It may not need ads to make revenue, but does it need ads to make profit?

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